Regular Finance Committee Meeting - Second Monday Mon, May 11, 2026 · Finance Committee https://santafeminutes.space/meeting/940 == Executive Summary == The Finance Committee met to discuss Grand Summit, an Albuquerque-based recovery and workforce development center, and its potential expansion to Santa Fe. Senator Ortiz Pino introduced Grand Summit, highlighting its unique approach to breaking generational poverty by integrating long-term recovery programs with workforce development, stable housing, and financial literacy. The organization presented data on client demographics and needs, emphasizing the prevalence of early substance use, unemployment, and barriers like lack of education and housing among their clients. The committee members expressed strong support for Grand Summit's comprehensive, data-driven model, which includes intensive outpatient programming, vocational training partnerships, and on-site medical and mental health services. They noted the significant need for such services in Santa Fe, particularly given the current lack of detox, rehab, and mental health facilities. While no formal decisions were made regarding Grand Summit's expansion, the discussion was highly positive, with councilors offering to assist with potential operations and acknowledging the program's focus on accountability and community integration. The Finance Committee Chair also announced the formation of a homelessness task force, inviting members to participate. == Key Decisions == - The Finance Committee Chair decided to form a homelessness task force to address the issue in Santa Fe. == Motions & Votes == - Approval of the agenda — Passed unanimously - Approval of the consent agenda — Passed unanimously == Public Comment == Senator Ortiz Pino was recognized for his leadership and contributions to New Mexico. He, along with other council members, highly praised Grand Summit's model, emphasizing its effectiveness, diversity, and the strong relationships built within the program. Councilors highlighted the program's potential to address Santa Fe's significant need for addiction and behavioral health services, its emphasis on accountability, and its proactive approach to community integration. == Topics == - Homelessness & Recovery Services - Grand Summit Program Model - Workforce Development - Santa Fe Expansion - Community Integration & Concerns - Barriers to Employment - Financial Impact of Homelessness - Client Demographics & History - Homelessness Task Force - Program Funding & Cost == Full Transcript == Okay. Are we live, everybody? We are live. All right. I'll call to order this hearing of the Finance Committee. Can we get a roll call, please? You're fired. I'm just kidding. No, you can't leave. You can't leave. Okay, as a matter of fact, I think we are ready. All right, I'm going to call it to order again. Can we get a roll call? Councilor Cassett. Here. Councilor Castro is excused this evening. Councilor Garcia. I'm here. Councilor Bamonte. Here. Councilor Faulkner. Here. Madam Chair, you have a quorum. Thank you so much. Can we get approval of the agenda? Any changes from staff? No changes from staff this evening. Move to approve. Can we get a roll call on that? Councilor Cassett. Yes. Councilor Garcia. Yes. Councilor Bamonte. Yes. Councilor Faulkner. Yes. And that motion passes. Right. Can we get approval of the consent agenda? Any changes from staff? No items were pulled for discussion this evening. Any changes from the committee to approve? Second. Roll call, please. Councilor Cassett. Yes. Councilor Garcia. Yes. Councilor Bamonte. Yes. Councilor Faulkner. Yes. That motion passes. Right now, we're on to presentations. Before we get into the presentation, I would like to acknowledge someone who has been really important to me learning how to be a good leader, and that's Senator Ortiz Pino. He was the chair of the Senate Public Affairs Committee for many, many, many years and is an incredible leader and has done a lot of good things for the state of New Mexico. So, I just wanted to recognize him before we start the presentation. And with that, we have Grand Summit. It does. We're very strict at the city. Don't call Pillar the Hammer for nothing. You have to lean in and turn on the, like, get really close to the mic. Is that good? All right. Thank you very much, Counselors, for allowing us to present on Grand Summit. Grand Summit Recovery and Workforce Development is a recovery and workforce development center in Albuquerque, New Mexico. We currently have 230 clients and we have 90 full-time staff. So, we're a very big operation. We've been around for a year and a half and we have a waitlist of 500 clients just from Albuquerque and the surrounding area at the moment. Our mission at, I'm fine with it. So, our mission at Grand Summit is to not only do recovery, but to also help folks break the generational cycle of poverty. And the only way that we can do that is if we do recovery. And then on top of it, we do a very strong workforce development program. And that workforce development program is to lead our clients into sustainable employment and permanent housing. One of the things that we found in working with our clients is that they go through many recovery programs, IOP, intensive outpatient programming, where they do 90 days, 60 days, 120 days, they get a certificate, they're back on the street, they may get a job at a gas station for $12 an hour, and that's not necessarily a sustainable outcome. So what we do at Grand Summit is very different than that. What we've learned in the year and a half prior to opening Grand Summit, I've actually volunteered at the Gateway West shelter and as well as Hopeworks shelters and some other shelters and over months talking with an unhoused population and also the substance use disorder population and trying to understand what it was that they really needed. And I found out that most of them were not asking for housing as the primary thing. They were asking for support services that holds them accountable and they were also asking for support which is called aftercare after they're done with the outpatient programming. So really we designed Grand Summit based on what the clients said that they needed and then we closely monitored our outcomes over the past year and a half and I'll demonstrate that here to you now. But overall, I think we all have an understanding of why we want you to support recovery programs because we're looking for the economic impact, right? We're looking for decreasing incarcerations. We're looking for decreasing hospital visits. We're looking for decreasing police calls and we're really looking for healthy individuals who become a sustainable part of our society. We, about three days ago, we surveyed 195 of our clients and this data is very telling of what our issue is currently with substance use disorder, homelessness, and the need for workforce development. We found in our survey that three-quarters, I didn't bring my glasses, but 70% of our clients are actually born in New Mexico. That's a question that comes up to me a lot saying, "Is everybody from out of state?" So based on the survey that we've done so far, a majority are born and raised here. A majority are not employed. A majority have children and then our referral sources, they're coming from a bunch of different referral sources. So we have some walk-ups, some folks calling in, but a lot of ACS Cares campus, the shelters, the Gateway West, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and so on and so forth. The barriers that the clients stated that keeps them from working full-time is either they are lacking education, they're lacking training, transportation, stable housing, being able to take a shower. Those are the kind of things that keeps these clients from having full-time work. So in our workforce development, we do a lot of training on that. What we call socio-formative living. Most of the clients, they do have a career goal. In fact, 81% said that they have a career goal. So, they're not lazy people. They actually have a goal more than just getting a job. They actually want to build a career for themselves. And for that, we've partnered with CNM Ingenuity and Southwest Educational Partners. So, CNM Ingenuity program will give our clients scholarships to attend certification programs and Southwest Educational Partners, they'll do culinary programs with us. Now, we're working on a CDL program, a welding program, pool maintenance program, things that our clients could study, per se, over a short period of time and get a decent paying job so we can get them into decent housing. Again, the goal being not just breaking the cycle of substance use disorder, but also breaking the cycle of poverty. More than half of the clients do need help with building their resumes and almost all of them want help being connected with employers. So, they're very motivated to work. They're all interested in a scholarship as you can tell. And in this slide is kind of wordy, but it's just like they're looking for a lot of different trades. Some are looking for a bachelor's degree or an AA degree, but the clients overall are looking for certification programs. Most of our clients state that they are benefiting from our financial literacy programs that we offer. And some of them, 25% of our clients have jobs right now. And out of those 25%, about 60% are trying to save up right now for moving expenses into their permanent housing once they're done through our program. And the reason I like to share data is because I could just stand here and tell you how wonderful Grand Summit is and how great we're doing, but I think it's important for you to see it from a scientific lens. So you could see what it is that the clients are needing and why is our program working and why it should be expanded into Santa Fe. The contributing factors to becoming unhoused, it's job loss is the main one as you can imagine and mental health and substance use disorder are the next ones. So at Grand Summit then that's what we do. We provide transitional housing while they're in our program because I believe that folks cannot recover and be in a healthy workforce development program if at night they have to be on the street or wait in line for a shelter. That's one of the strengths of our program. And a majority of the folks who are unhoused have been unhoused multiple times. Some of them will report being unhoused since they were six years old and sleeping in a vehicle with their mom. They have reported multiple instances of being unhoused. And also many years of being unhoused. We have clients with us who've been one year or six months unhoused all the way up to folks who've been 18 years unhoused. Last two slides here on the data, the use of time for folks has been a really long time. 75% are saying that they've used for more than 10 years. So therefore, we now scientifically know that if somebody's been using for 10 years, we can't help them recover and get on their feet into permanent housing and a sustainable job in three months, right? So, I'm a doctor by background. I got my MD, did not go into a specialty, but if I had, it would have been psychiatry. And when my physician friends lose their job, it takes them more than three months to go get another job. So then, how do we expect somebody with this? Are my friends that are attorneys or my friends that work, I have a lot of experience working in the film industry, folks that are executive producers and A-list actors, even they can get a job over three months. So at least six months of recovery is what's showing successful for our clients right now and on top of it, X amount of time in workforce development. And the reason we have to say X amount of time in workforce development because we have clients who are illiterate, so we have to teach them how to read and then we have clients who had a CDL, they lost their CDL, we just have to help them get that back. So it's going to take them different amounts of time to get on their feet, right? So if we put them on a clock and say, "Okay, now you only have three months in workforce development," they're just going to get nervous and they're probably going to leave on, you know, on day 75 or something. And we really need to keep them in the program so we can get those outcomes that we're looking for. A lot of them, 82% stated that they started using drugs and alcohol as a minor. A lot of our clients report that they got access to drugs and alcohol through their parents and their caretakers and a lot of clients have been through multiple programs. Again, what's on this slide? I think it's something that you all know. It's pretty obvious that financial stress, unstable housing and lack of transportation would be the leading causes of substance use disorder and challenges in recovery and then again a lot of relation to PTSD, traumas as a child, depression. Sometimes lack of motivation and stress. And what we do at Grand Summit, the solution here now is the two phases of the program, right? Our first phase and because we've been around for a year and a half, we're seeing some really great outcomes. So that's why we know our program is working. The first phase is the intensive outpatient programming and that is truly intensive. It is five days a week, Monday through Friday. Clients have to get up, dress up and show up. So they do programming from 7:00 a.m. all the way until 12:00 noon. And that is absolutely mandatory. The only time they can not show up and make it up in the afternoon is if they have to be hospitalized or go to the doctor or if they have a probation and parole case. Other than that, they have to be held accountable and they do have to get up, dress up, and show up. And by that, we literally mean dress up. Like, they don't come in their pajamas. They don't come in wrapped in a blanket. Because what we're trying to train the clients on is that any moment could be a job interview for you. We have a lot of visitors. We have congresswomen and congressmen and senators and city councilors. They all come constantly. They open job opportunities, so we would like our clients to be ready for that. In the afternoon, there are activities for them, or they have jobs, and in the evenings, they have to be back by 10:00. That is a curfew. Twice a week, we do urine analysis, and if there's a positive UA, then they do have to go to a detox facility. Or if it's a second UA, then they have to go to a 10-day program, and so on and so forth. At least for a month, we'll keep their bed because there's no motivation for somebody to get in a recovery program, fall, which is a relapse, and we send them to CAR's campus and we give their bed to somebody else, right? And then what happens when they detox? They end up back on the street. So, we will save their bed for at least 10 days, waiting for them to come back. About 90% of the time, they'll come back. I'm at my 10 minutes. Okay. We only have a couple slides. Okay. And then in our workforce development program, we have very strong partnerships. We're going through, we're getting our GEDs right now. We're working through culinary certificates. We're working through a customer service program with CNN. We're working through OSHA certificates. We're working through quite a bit of stuff that I don't remember off the top of my head. But every single certificate that our clients have received, they have used to either get a promotion at their job or make at least a dollar or two more. 24 of our clients who went through our program have now made it to permanent housing, which is a really big win for a program that's been only around for a year and a half, to put 24 people, get them off the streets, get them off of substance use disorder, and get them into permanent outcomes. I'm very proud of that for our agency. This slide kind of repeats itself. The next one is the same. This is Jonathan Sigura. Jonathan Sigura was at the Gateway West shelter. He was facing nine years in prison. He was using a year or 13 months ago. He came to Grand Summit. Our staff not only helped him not go to prison, they also helped him get his ankle monitor off. He just recently got off probation as well. So, we helped him through all those legal matters. He's been sober since he's been in our program. He graduated fully from the program, and he did so exceptionally that Grand Summit actually ended up hiring him as one of our employees. That's just one of the success stories, but we have many more like that. But overall, what I'd like to impress upon you is the fact that recovery is more than just addressing substance use disorder. I also have a physician, a medical doctor, and an independently licensed nurse practitioner on staff. So, we provide healthcare as well. We like to do a holistic approach. So, we do counseling for mental health, we do counseling for substance use disorder, we do workforce development, we do health because we do have to address the blood pressure, the cardiac issues, the wound care, and all of that. So, by the time that they're done with our program, they're fully ready to immerse back into society. So, that's Grand Summit. I'd love to answer any questions. Senator: I'll just say a few words. As you can imagine, during 20 years in the legislature and then before that, 40 years as a social worker, I've seen a lot of drug and alcohol treatment programs. My daughter-in-law, Katie, began working at Grand Summit last year, and she started talking about it, and I said, "Well, that sounds a lot better than many of the ones that I've been familiar with." So, I went and visited it and have been very impressed with it. I just wanted to share with you very quickly the graduation ceremony that I was at last week there. 26 of their clients were finishing the intensive outpatient portion of the program and moving to the job development program. Each of them were introduced individually, and then they told a bit of their stories. It was a very impressive ceremony because these were people who, if you judge by appearances, the tattoos, the piercings, the signs that life has been tough on their face, on their bodies, they had all made a determination they wanted to change. There were about two-thirds of them were men, one-third was about women. There were a lot of Native Americans, there were a lot of Hispanics, there were Anglos, there were some Blacks, there were a couple of Orientals. It was a cohesive group. They had worked together. They were supportive of each other. They were surrounded by 150 other people in the program who are still hoping to reach that point at some point in the future. The spirit of that event was so strong. It was very impressive, particularly the relationship between staff and clients. There was a mutual trust, a mutual sincerity. A lot of tears were shed, and a lot of cheers were given. It was a very impressive event. I just wanted to share that with you to give you some idea of what an impressive program this is. Thank you, Senator. Questions from the committee? Councilor Casset: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for being here. I apologize, I got a little distracted at times parenting. So, a couple questions that I had. From what I'm gathering, you guys do intensive outpatient. So, that's part of the programming, is that outpatient recovery, but I'm imagining partnering with some of the more intensive inpatient recovery programs as you mentioned. If somebody needs a detox, you'll send them to a detox program. So, is that essentially, do your clients move from some inpatient programming into outpatient, or because I know sometimes people need the inpatient first. I mean, sometimes going straight from addiction into outpatient intensive programming can be a challenge. So, how do you make that determination as to whether or not they are ready for this type of program? And if not, do you refer, and what does that partnership look like? That's a really good question, Councilor. Thank you for asking. We have a clinical team that does what's called an ASAM. In that ASAM, a determination is made on whether we're the right program for the client or not. So, there's a pre-in that happens over the phone. Then when the client comes in, they meet with one of our therapists, and the therapist can make a determination in a short 15-minute session with the client to see if they're a fit for our program. If they're a fit for our program, we'll take them into our program. If they're not, we will refer them to the proper program and then welcome them back. So, there's a lot of that that happens every day, several times a day. Every client that walks in is not necessarily a match for our program, but they could be down the road. And vice versa, when we have clients that relapse in our program, we have to send them to inpatient facilities, sometimes even to the hospital. So, yes. Okay. Wonderful. Glad to hear that. But I know that it is a constant challenge, and that's part of the partnerships that I know that we always talk about here in Santa Fe is how do we make sure that all these different organizations that we are not replicating services as much as, I mean, we need some replication of services because there's so much need, but also that we are filtering people to the correct place. And then, I'm sorry, did you mention how many individuals you serve at one time? How many individuals you've served total? Well, we're serving a total in our facilities that are enrolled in our program and in transitional housing with us right now, 230 clients as of this afternoon. Then we're helping another 57 clients at the Gateway West Shelter. They're not staying in our program. They're at the shelter. They're on a waitlist waiting to get a bed in our facility. MDC has about 55 clients that are on a waitlist. They can get out of jail essentially if we can open a bed for them. And Blue Cross Blue Shield has asked for another 100 beds. Our program is so strong, and it's kind of a moment for me to just be really proud of what we've done, is that we were to have an audit with the insurance companies, and they said that because everything has been going so well, that they didn't have to audit until the end of the year. That's really wonderful. Congratulations. And that's a lot of individuals. Are you scattered sites, or is it the one big facility as well as the Gateway West? So, we have two motels that are right next to each other. They used to be major drug hubs. There was a lot of drug and other activity in those areas, and we took those over. We own one of the motels, and we rent the other one. So, we have a nonprofit arm, but we are not a fully, we're not a nonprofit organization. So, we move really fast. If you allowed us to come and serve you here in Santa Fe, we could have a program up and running for at least 15 people in a month. Oh yeah, it's helpful to be able to move fast. We discover that's a problem with us in government. Yes. And then what is your primary funding mechanism? How are you guys funded? So, we're reimbursed by Medicaid and other insurances. And then in terms of the building purchases, is that capital from state, from city? We don't get any money from anybody. Oh, okay. Why do you need our permission? We would like you to give, we'd like you to give us money. Okay. There we go. I'm a strong believer that if I'm going to open a business in an area, I'd like to first talk with the city council, make sure I have their approval and their support. That's what we did with Councilor Grout and Councilor Wimbaka. We got their support before we opened our businesses in those areas. You need to know what kind of business is coming into your district. So, it's out of respect for you truly and genuinely, and I've done that everywhere I've opened a business before. I also have a small partnership in the furniture and jewelry store, Cowboys and Indians, as well as Bella Jewelers. So, that's one of our businesses. So, we are committed to Santa Fe. And then also, a lot of our initial finances goes into buying or leasing a property for which we're probably not financially there at this point. We could be if you at least start the conversation. And I know there's a facility that we have looked at. It is the perfect facility for our kind of agency because it's close to a bus line. It's across the street from businesses where our clients can be employed, and it's also, we can provide services there. Am I making sense? Yes. Yes. No. Absolutely. I really, I do appreciate that. And as you already know, the need in Santa Fe is really high, and especially for this, this really, this comprehensive wraparound of really looking at all of the different components that are, you know, leading to some individuals being in these really challenging situations and what makes it so hard for them to get out of. For your reference, my background is public health. I have a master's in public health, worked with families that were living in homeless shelters with kids zero to five. So, I really appreciate this model because it is so comprehensive, and I do appreciate a lot of the flexibility that you provide in meeting people where they're at, and recognizing that where they are at is potentially going to change, and how do you address that? Yeah, holding them very accountable on the same note. Yes, and that's, I mean, and it's such, it's such a hard balance. So, so I do, I appreciate that as well. I know one thing that it sounds like you're doing really well is working with all the different organizations in Albuquerque. When you've taken a look at the Santa Fe landscape, how do the partnership organizations that you would need to really be successful, how does that line up here as opposed to what's happening in Albuquerque? So, we get a lot of folks from individuals in Santa Fe. That is one of the things that told us that the need is huge here. We will work with, who we'll work with. And Katie, you hear? Yeah. Yeah, I think that we would just reach out to the city at large again here. But I know that the community colleges here would probably be very helpful to us. SWEP can carry over to Santa Fe. It's not just an Albuquerque organization. It's a statewide organization. So I think they would be willing to partner with us out here to help these citizens out here as well. Yeah, actually workforce, I'm less, less concerned about. It was more along the lines of our capacity for some of the detox facilities, rehab facilities, mental health facilities. We just have such a dearth of that here. But you all have taken a look and it feels like the landscape is something that could be beneficial. Oh yeah. If the minute Grand Summit says that we're in Santa Fe, we'll, we'll probably, if we open a 50-bed facility, we could probably fill it up overnight. Yes. We don't like to fill it up overnight. And we also didn't want to get anybody's hopes up until we have your support and your approval because I really don't like to work in a district where I don't have the approval and the support of the city council members from there. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being here. I really, I can see where this would be very beneficial for our community. So, I would be more than happy to work with you all and what you would need to be able to start to open up operations in Santa Fe. So, please feel free to reach out. Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Casset. Anybody else? Councilor Garcia. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for the presentation. Thank you for being here. As you can see, there's a lot of, in our community, the need for this type of service. And, you know, one of the things that we're up against every single time there's talk about a homeless shelter. Everybody's going to say this is a homeless shelter. And what do you say to the community who reside around that area? Because, you know, we have had plenty issues in areas that are no barrier, low barrier, right? And this doesn't seem like that's the model. You're not a low barrier shelter where you obviously don't just take anyone. I, I do appreciate the vetting process where people come in and they have to want to, most people don't want to be in the situation they're in. They want to be in another place. And those are the some of the things that I really liked about your presentation. In regards to most people just need someone to hold them accountable. Sometimes it can't be a family member or a friend. It's got to be, and it can't be law enforcement. So, I think this fits that mold. And clinically speaking, it sounds like you guys are doing everything that's needed. So, what do you say to the people that live in the areas where you potentially would set up your operation? Thank you, Councilor, for that question. It's a very important one. Because we don't want to try to take away from homelessness and then add to homelessness, right? We don't want to take away from one neighborhood and, quote unquote, maybe ruin another one, right? The number one most important thing about Grand Summit is it's not a walk-in or lineup basis. So clients cannot just show up to Grand Summit. There has to be a referral process. They are welcome to call in and they can be on the waitlist and when we have an opening then they will go through the vetting process. Grand Summit is also for higher functioning folks. So these are folks who truly just have one or two things in their way and they have a very strong chance of becoming very functional and independent members of society. That's the next thing. We also beautify every area where we're in, where if you look at our current facilities, which I invite you to come and visit, what they used to be, we'll show you pictures and what they are now. They look beautiful. There's a lot of gardening. We don't have any congregation outside of our facilities. We don't have visitors in our facilities. We have quiet hours that are from 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. We don't have traffic. We also have security, which are peer support workers, so they're really good at de-escalation, that kind of hang out outside. So, we take a lot of, a lot of measures to make our neighbors feel comfortable and in fact our neighbors right now with us feel so comfortable that they have hired 25% of our clients. Thank you. And you know, I think that again speaks volume to being good community partners. And I think that's really something that we do need in this community. Most of our, most, most people in the community kind of want to be, they want to just say we're, we're not, we don't have the issues, but we have the issues. It's evident. It's just how do we deal with them? And thank you for the presentation. We've been here. Yes, and I think you'd be interested in hearing that about 90 to 95% of the clients that get referred to us or come to us, they're like, we know you're going to hold us accountable and we know you're going to make us do the work and that's why we're here. So when the clients are actually invested back into the program, and that helps a lot as well. And then on last on that, we, we, I have had to have conversations with HOAs before. In fact, I had to do that two weeks ago. And it went so well that the HOA wants to provide meals for our clients. And one last question then, the cost to the individual, is it just? There's no cost to the individual. Yeah. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you, Councilor Garcia. Councilor Bamante. Thank you, Chair. Not so much questions, just comments. So, just thank you for what you're doing. I've known some people who have gone through IOP type programs, some successfully, some not. And so I know it's difficult. And just to tail off what Councilor Garcia was saying, I appreciate the model because the ones who have successfully gone through have stated that that was part of their success was that accountability. And so, just appreciate what you're doing. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor. And I think that our success not only comes from having done a lot of ground research, but also closely following our data and doing the surveys with our clients. Also a strong clinical team of five therapists, most of whom are independently licensed, having a physician and nurse practitioner on board. Then also myself and my business partners also being of a scientific thinking and research background. So we're constantly tracking our data and tracking our outcomes. So this is not just a business for us. It's really a model for us that we would like to take national. And currently we've been chosen by the Georgetown School of Law, the Kick Research Institute as a study model. So they're closely studying us and they have asked me to be on their executive board for their research as well as the American International Research Institute. And I don't know how they found out about us, but they're currently looking at the model and they want to take it to the DC level. And I was invited to the National Conference on Homelessness to present on our model, but I'd like to just have, go for another year, collect some more data before I could present because I really want to make sure that my science is correct. So what I'm trying to get at is we have to look at the science and the economic impact in order to have a successful recovery program. We're good. Councilor Bamante. Okay. I just want to say I'm a huge fan of continuum of care in relationship to addiction and behavioral health and around the homeless population. And this is the kind of program that is working all over the country. Any city or state who decides to get on board with a program like yours is going to be successful. And so I appreciate you making the presentation. I support you guys 100%. Like this is the kind of programming we need in Santa Fe because we have a deficit in the services we're providing by comparison to the level of need we have in the city of Santa Fe. And I do feel like it's only going to get worse and that the city of Santa Fe is on like a precipice in the sense that we have a little bit of time before this becomes almost an insurmountable problem given the size of our city. And so thank you for making the presentation. I just wanted my colleagues to hear about some of the programs that are working. I do feel like addiction and behavioral health and homelessness is a financial, it's a finance issue because of the amount of money cities and organizations are putting in to solve the problem. So I really appreciate you coming before us and thank you so much. Great. Next item. I believe our next item will actually be matters from the committee. Anybody? We're a quiet committee tonight. All right. Next item. That will be matters from the chair and this evening we have the homelessness task force discussion. Yes. So, as chair of the Finance Committee, I have the authority to put together a task force on issues that I think we need to track a little bit more, put a little more energy into. And so, I am going to be putting together a task force from the Finance Committee and I, anyone who would like to be a part of that task force, I will start taking requests to participate. I, I don't want to say much more than that because I, I want to give the task force the organic ability to like build its priorities and kind of work into what space we want to be a part of. But, I definitely think this issue is a big enough issue that it's going to take the council and the administration to solve this problem. And so, I figured we might as well start here at the Finance Committee. So, just let me know if you want to be on that. Otherwise, I'm going to assign you the hammer. No, just kidding. Anyway, so that's all I have. Our next meeting is Tuesday, May 26th, and we are adjourned, everybody.