Historic Districts Review Board Meeting Tue, Jul 28, 2026 · Historic Districts Review Board https://santafeminutes.space/meeting/1177-historic-design-review-jul-28-2026 == Executive Summary == The Historic Districts Review Board approved its agenda, past meeting minutes, and findings of fact and conclusions of law. A significant portion of the meeting was dedicated to public comments and staff communications. A public commenter, Ms. Panopto, raised concerns about the audibility of board members due to microphone issues and reported unauthorized alterations and neglect at 729 Don Diego, requesting an investigation into the removal of a parapet and other safety concerns. Staff announced public engagement opportunities for the general plan and introduced two new staff members. The board also began discussions on designating the Spitz Clock at 107 West Palace Avenue as a historically significant structure. Public comments highlighted the clock's community importance and urgent need for maintenance, with one individual offering to perform restoration work for free. The board postponed one case due to the applicant's absence. == Key Decisions == - Approved the meeting agenda. - Approved six sets of minutes from March to June 2026. - Approved twelve findings of fact and conclusions of law from August 2025 to March 2026. - Postponed case 2026012691HTRB (216 Maynard) to the end of the agenda. == Motions & Votes == - Motion to approve the agenda as submitted — Approved (Aye vote). - Motion to approve the six sets of minutes — Approved (Aye vote). - Motion to approve the twelve findings of fact and conclusions of law — Approved (Aye vote). - Motion to postpone case 2026012691HTRB (216 Maynard) to the end of the agenda — Approved (Aye vote). == Public Comment == Ms. Panopto criticized the board members' microphone usage, stating it made it difficult for the public to hear. She also reported significant unapproved alterations and neglect at 729 Don Diego, including the removal of a historic parapet during a re-roofing project and severe safety concerns, requesting immediate action from the city. Rick Martinez and Elizabeth West emphasized the urgent need for maintenance and restoration of the Spitz Clock, with Mr. Martinez offering to perform the work for free if the city covers material costs. == Topics == - Spitz Clock Historic Status - Public Communication Issues - Property Enforcement & Neglect - General Plan & Public Feedback - New Staff Introductions - Appeals Process - Window Workshop - Federal Preservation Webinar - Stucco Workshop == Full Transcript == Can you please let us know when we are streaming? Madam Chair, Ms. Lamboy, we are live. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to this meeting of the Historic Districts Review Board. Today is July 28, 2026. Will we have a roll call, please? Member Degnan? Here. Member Cherry? Here. Member Benvenu? Excused. Member Besheid? Here. Chair Rios? Here. Member Simmons? Excused. And he may join us online. Madam Chair, you have a quorum. Alright. Are there any changes to tonight's agenda? Items that are postponed. It's listed like that on the agenda, but I just want to make sure the public knows. So, it is 9C 202612781 HGRB 1099 Old Santa Fe Trail. It's been postponed to the next meeting. 202612764 HERB 1062 Camino San Acasio has been postponed. And item E 20261751062 Camino San Acasio address, that has been postponed. Is there a motion to approve the agenda as submitted? Don't move. Degnan. He said seconds. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. And opposed, say no. Under minutes, we have six sets of minutes. Are there any changes to any of these minutes? Most all of these minutes are from 2026, starting with March through June. Changes, anyone? If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve. Move approval of minutes. Please take seconds. And all those in favor to adopt the minutes that are in this evening's agenda, say aye. Aye. And opposed, say no. Those are approved. Finding facts and conclusions of law, we have 12 this evening. Starting with August 2025 through, most of them through September 2025, and then we have one for March 2026. Any changes to any of these? No changes. Is there a motion to approve these? Each time moves to approve the findings of fact and conclusions of law listed in item 5A through L. Second, Degnan. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. And opposed, say no. Those are approved and adopted. Matters from the public. Is there anyone here that wishes to come forward and talk about anything having to do with H board matters? Come forward now. No one. And anyone online? IT, can you please make permission to or allow it to talk? Thank you. Ms. Stephanie, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Thank you. Well, I couldn't hear you, Ms. Lamboy, when you were just talking now at all, and I found it hard to hear you when you were saying what was postponed. So I am going to ask that you pull the mic closer to you and that you actually direct your face to the mic as opposed to away from it. And also, Chair Rios, the same thing happens with you at the end of the meeting when you're making comments because you're looking around and your mouth is not going towards the mic, and it becomes very hard, like last meeting when you had some statement you were making. It was incredibly difficult to hear what you had to say. And again, I think it's important for the public to be able to actually hear what's happening. The other thing I wanted to bring to your attention is a building, property at 729 Don Diego that fronts, that backs onto Don Cubero Lane. And you had a property like that at 721 Don Diego, which had a couple of different addresses also backing onto, thank you for sharing that, Heather, onto the, the dock of Arrow Lane. This is the house at 729. You can see, well, you can't see anymore because the parapet for the actual roof of the structure has been destroyed in a reroof permit. But at 721, and that's the other photo. Do you want to show that, or I have it up on screen? I sent you that as well. Let me see. That's this one. And then let's see what else is here. Excuse me. Can you see this one now? Can you see it? I just shared it. Okay, great. So this is the 721 Don Diego. You were very adamant that this roofline be maintained, that it was similar or spoke of the fact that this was part of the railyard or connected to the railyard. And I believe that this one at 729 really is a cousin of that building and had the same, you know, interesting parapet that was repeated over the porch and over the main house or main structure. And I find it really sad that this has gone away. I'm wondering why this was not brought to you for approval. I know it's a reroof and that normally maybe you can get reroofs administratively, but this is more really than a reroof. And I do have to point out this building, the door has been taken away. It's been bricked up for years. All the windows are, have plywood on them. It's unknown whether they are there still or not. And on the back house, virtually every window also has plywood on it. You have a conduit electric conduit going in front of the window on the outside, and you have one door that is operational. It is an incredible fire hazard, and I believe the owner, at least some of the time, lives in the back house, and yet this has failed to get the city's attention in any way, shape, or form. So I don't know if you can do anything like red tag this project and have this person come in to show you what they have done already to the house in terms of taking out historic material, including this parapet. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Panopto. We'll send out our enforcement officer. Could you repeat that, please? I can't hear you. Certainly. Thank you. We'll send out our enforcement officer tomorrow to investigate. Thank you so much. Heather, is there anyone else online? Nope. We move on to staff communications. Staff, do you have anything? The only communication. Go ahead. The only communication I have right now is with the general plan. We are doing the engagement for the frameworks, the plan priority frameworks, as well as the scenario planning. And so there's a survey that is on the santafeforward.org website. We're soliciting public feedback, and you can just find it there on the front page, and it would be wonderful if anybody listening here as well as the board would log on and give us your viewpoints as well. There is a document that is the vision summary. So we've completed the visioning portion of this project, and that is summarized in a document as well that you can open from that page, santafeforward.org. That's me too. Attorney Gubali, do you have something? Thank you. Madam Chair and board members, the property owners of the property at 911 Roybal Street in the Westside Guadalupe Historic District have filed an appeal, and that appeal will be heard by the governing body tomorrow night, July 29. That is case number 202611903. That was heard by the H board on March 10, 2026. There was a decision to deny a request for an exception to build a mixed-use structure to a height of 24 feet. That is at Roybal and Saint Francis Drive or on Saint Francis Drive between Alameda and Agua. That will be heard tomorrow night by the governing body. Okay. Thank you. Is that the only appeal at this point? That is the only appeal on the governing body agenda tomorrow night. Thank you. Also, we have some new staff members, and they are sitting at the back of the room. But if they'll come forward and introduce themselves and just quickly tell us about themselves, tell us what position you now hold. They are part of the preservation staff. Hello. My name is River Jarman. I'm a planner with the Historic Preservation Division. A few things about myself. I moved here from Salt Lake City, Utah, about three weeks ago now, and I got my master's degree in city planning and a master's degree in public administration at the University of Utah. And I switched this job from Ogden where I was a planning technician. Thank you very much, and welcome. Yeah. Good evening. My name is Graham White, and I'm the planner technician here. Started up last week. And I'd previously worked in the legal field, and I'm working on finishing up my master's degree in community and regional planning down at UNM. Welcome to you as well. Anything else, Kevin? Okay. We have nothing under old business, and, of course, we'll move on to new business. And I do need to tell you that, should you disagree with the decision that this board renders, you do have the option to appeal, and you would be appealing to the City Council. And you need to get together with staff so they can guide you through that, through the appeals process, because there are time constraints. Also, in reference to public comment, if you wish to comment on any case this evening, you will be limited to two minutes. We will move on to the first case this evening, which is located at 216 Maynard, and that is Units A and B, and that's Amanda's case. Amanda? Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to inform you that my applicant is not here as of yet, so I don't know if we can postpone it to the end of the hearing, if, and if they're still not here, to date certain of the August 11 hearing. Okay. Why don't we have a motion to postpone this case to the end of the hearing, and we'll hear this case? It's which I moved to, move item A, case number 2026012691HTRB to the end of the agenda tonight. Yeah. Again, second. So in favor, say aye. Aye. And opposed, say no. Can I have everyone? Hi. Okay. Everyone voted. We will move on to the next case, which is located at 107 West Palace Avenue. And this is Lauren's case, and this is the first time that Lauren presents. And in this case, it's the City of Santa Fe is the atom. This is for historic status. This is case number 2026-012779-HTRB for the status designation of Spitz Clock. Located in Downtown and East Side Historic District, the Spitz Clock is sited at the Northwest corner of Lincoln Avenue and West Palace Avenue, adjacent to the New Mexico Museum of Law. Spitz Clock currently has no historical status designation. It is architecturally and historically significant as a rare surviving example of an urban American E. Howard and Company pocket watch top sidewalk clock manufactured in Boston, Massachusetts. A constituent contacted staff to inquire about restoring the Spitz Clock. When information was provided regarding the techniques for restoring the clock, staff determined that a Historic Cultural Properties Inventory or HCPI would be required before considering the proposed repair and repainting of the clock. The Historic Preservation Division then contracted with John Murphy to draft an HCPI for board consideration, and with its findings, proposes a design designation upgrade to significance. The historic object is built of cast iron and measures approximately 18 feet in height with a gilded wooden clock mounted above a square cast iron pedestal. Each elevation has a recessed panel with access to the interior winding mechanism on the west panel with the manufacturer's nameplate at the top. Above the base is a fluted column topped with a Corinthian capital and a round dial casing with twin faces bearing a pocket watch winding stem and ring. The dials have the original Roman numerals in hand reading standard time below the center wheel. The unique dial casing resembles a common pocket watch of its time, expressing its original advertising message calling attention to its then adjacent jewelry store commonly found within downtown business districts. In 1961, the clock's internal works were shipped to Watertown, Massachusetts for repairs. The clock head has been regilded at least once, and at least one crystal has been replaced with a south-facing bezel fitted with plexiglass following vandalism in 1984. Currently, the wooden casing is under threat from weathering, requiring rehabilitation intervention to prevent further deterioration. While the historic clock has undergone several repairs, they have generally remained limited to the replacement of mechanical components and in-kind materials maintenance. Therefore, Spitz Clock retains its original design form and high degree of its historic intent. The Spitz clock is one of the few surviving artifacts from the early 20th-century commercial character of the Santa Fe Plaza. Similar to many historic street clocks, the Spitz clock was removed from its original location on Walnut Street in Kansas City, Missouri, in 1920. The clock was purchased and transported to Santa Fe in May of that year by German Jewish immigrant, Solomon Spitz, where it was placed at the south side of the Santa Fe Plaza in front of the Spitz Jewelry Company at 78 East San Francisco Street. While the jewelry store was established in the early 1880s, the Spitz clock served as the third and final clock in its location. In 1966, the clock was removed during the federally funded Plaza Portal construction project. The urban renewal incentive reintroduced an uninterrupted row of portales along the south side of the plaza, reflecting an idealized vision of an early 19th-century Spanish pueblo style designed by architect John Gaw Meem, later refined by architect Kenneth Clark. Consequently, many late 19th and early 20th-century architectural elements surrounding the plaza were lost, and the Spitz clock was removed. The historic clock was donated to the City of Santa Fe by Bernard Spitz, son of Solomon Spitz, and stored in the basement of City Hall until June 1974, when it was relocated to its current location, accompanied by a historical marker plaque and wooden podium. While the clock was moved multiple times and the most recent location is non-reflective of its original placement and use, its current location reflects its own historical narrative relating to the 1960s renovation of the plaza during a time period of more than 50 years ago and remains a prominent feature of the historical streetscape. Therefore, staff believes the historic integrity of the object meets code requirements for the review and change in status designation to significant as found in Section 14-4.6 C2 Roman Numeral II, with the north, south, east, and west elevations as the primary facades per 14-4.6 C2, designation of significant contributing or non-contributing status within historic districts. Are there any questions? Lauren, board members, do you have any questions for Lauren? No. So I just want to say that clock has now been here for 102 years. And I loved reading about this, about the clock. So, John Murphy, if you are hearing me, I really did like the research that you did on this, including all the photographs that you provided to us. And, yes, Heather. Thank you, Chair Rios. John Murphy has joined virtually, so if you have questions for him, he is available. Oh, okay. John, if you have anything to say, we need to swear you in in a little while. Let's see. John, can you hear me? Yeah, I'm here. Yes, Chair Rios, good evening. Okay, John, if you have anything further to add to the report, to Lauren's report, you need to get sworn in. Did you have anything further? Yeah, I could just add a couple more things. Lauren's report was excellent otherwise. Okay, well, John, can you please state your name and address for the record? Yes, John W. Murphy, 2833 Plaza Verde. Do you solemnly declare and affirm that the testimony you have in reference to this item is the truth, the whole truth, and do this under the penalties of perjury? Yes, I do. Thank you, sir. Yes, been chair sworn, madam. Okay. Hey, John, you have the floor. I'd just like to add one more thing, that Eric Rybeck, who I found online, was very generous with his time, guiding me to the research, emailed me just last week. And he said, looking at the photos again, one thing he sees that is missing that is critical is something he called the yoke spacer. So just to put this into perspective, you have the head of the clock, which is wood, and it's sitting on the cast iron piece, but there's not a spacer in between. So he thinks one of the first things that should be done is to provide a spacer, even if it's not a historic design, just so there's no more moisture absorption into the frame of the head. So a little bit of free advice. Thank you. Okay, thanks very much, John. Anything further, John? No, I again, with Lauren's comments, I think this is very significant, not only as a rarity, which Eric has done research on this and has only identified six of these so-called pocket watch heads. But, and what is the, what is the title of your, of your source? Eric Rybeck. He's a gentleman in St. Louis who is a clock collector and restorer. Oh, okay. Thank you very much. I believe there's one of our board members has a question for you. Okay, Member Cherry. Hi, John. Hi. So the spacer, is it going between the curved wood head and then the curved, there's a piece of, between the wood head of the clock that sits on the top of the post that's curved. It's almost like a corbel that cradles the out of the clock. Is that where you're talking about the spacer goes between the round wood piece and that piece underneath it, or does it go underneath that? No, you're correct, Member Cherry. It is a piece, like a membrane, that goes between the wood circular head of the clock and then that, you know, cast iron piece, let's just call it the cradle. Yeah. So what's missing is that member that provides some absorption between those two pieces. Yeah. So do you know what, because the, what the composition of that, essentially, it's like a gasket or a bushing that goes between those two pieces. I think so. And do you know what the composition of that would be? I don't, but Eric sent me a photograph of one that he is restoring that has this element, and I will look at it more carefully, and I can report back to Heather. Okay, thanks. Alright, I just want to conclude that it is, despite its rarity, it is very significant, also as Lauren said, to establishing an earlier history of the plaza. And while researching, the two events that kind of challenged whether it would stay on the plaza, there seemed to be, at least as reported in the newspaper, an overwhelming outpouring of community members. So not just preservationists, but regular folks, business, you know, folks who wanted it always to remain on the plaza as sort of this historical timepiece, but also the setting of the earlier 20th-century kind of context and built environment of the plaza. It appears that board members have no further questions right at this point. I will ask if anyone in the public has, that in this room has anything to say, come forward and get sworn in. Yep, Rick Martinez coming forward, and it looks like Elizabeth West also. Hi. Please raise your right hand and state your name and address for the record. Rick Martinez, 725 Mesilla Road. I'm sorry, can you repeat the address? I didn't. 725 Mesilla Road. Oh, Mesilla. Do you solemnly declare and affirm that the testimony you have in reference to this item is the truth, the whole truth, and do this under the penalties of perjury? Thank you, sir. Good evening, Rick. The members here, I, and the constituents that brought this forward, you don't know how much it makes me happy that somebody's going to put this code status in this clock that hasn't. The main thing is we need maintenance on that clock. The clock has been maintained in, I don't know how long. I was going to do it during the plaza cleanup, and I was told I couldn't do it because they wanted to review it. But I wanted, I've been doing this work for over 30 years on this direct preservation of woodwork and stuff like that. I know what I'm doing, and I was going to do it for free. All I was going to do is buy the, the paid for it or the gold leaf, whatever I was going to use. But if we don't, if we don't maintain these things or have it on a regular basis, we're going to be in the trail like we are in now because that thing is, I don't know how much you guys saw, went on your, on your site today, how bad you saw it was. Even the pedestal on the side there, the piece is missing off that. Even that should be part of it. It should be fixed up. And I think, I think, I'm not sure what the, what the plan is. I was told at the, in where you're going to look for state funds, but this, that clock can't wait that much longer. Really need something to attention, like, like, today or, or tomorrow, you know? Because these things that, that deteriorate are bad, you know? I, the other thing you could put historic status to is on the, the, the 5:15, 5:30 train, Salvador Perez. That doesn't have any status on it too. That's historic there too. And, and I re, I redid that too because I went and, and re-lettered it and repainted it because, you know, there's so much graffiti on it that it needed to be redone. And, on top of that too, I've been redoing the, the plaza bandstand too because of the, they've been using the wrong product all these years. And I've been putting the right product on the, on the dance floor and, and just, you know, keeping that up in the stuff on the middle and around it. But this clock is, is so special to everybody. And, and if we keep letting it go like that, and I don't know, but putting historic status on it is great. We need maintenance on it. I don't know how you get other plan, but the plan is going to be for maintenance, but I was willing to do it for free. You would pay the whole thing, you know, that when I talked with John, the John, the guy you just talked to now, talked to him about it too, and he saw how bad it was too. But if we, if we keep letting these things that we love here in Santa Fe deteriorate, then, you know, is this, this, this is like the use of destruction by neglect, and that's what's something I don't want to see. But this, if we, that woodwork really needs work. The glass itself, we're going to buff the glass out itself. I, I get something to try to make it look better. But, you know, this is something that isn't, can't wait till the state funds come in. This will be needed to be done now. So I really thank your time, and I really thank you guys for, for your visit. And I'm glad that we're moving forward on it, but, actually, there's other projects too that in doubt that are special to everybody in Santa Fe. So I just hope, you know, move forward. Anyway, thanks for coming forward, and thanks for your work on different projects. Elizabeth? Thanks, Stephanie. Please raise your right hand. State your name and address for the record. Elizabeth West, 318 Center Street. Thank you, Elizabeth. Do you solemnly declare and affirm that the testimony you have in reference to this item is the truth, the whole truth, and do this under the penalties of perjury? I do. Thank you, Madam Chair. She has been sworn. I came because I heard there was a discussion about the Spitz clock, but I didn't know what you were going to be discussing. So I was sort of hoping some more people would give me some information. But I think I got the gist from what Mr. Martinez said in the tail end of where, what this woman was saying, that you're addressing status. And you know me by now. I think status is wonderful. It's one of the things the H4 does the best. In fact, you guys are required to do it, so I'm thrilled. Not sure why there'd be any hesitation about declaring status on this object. No, I think it's a structure, but it's kind of in between. Maybe it's an object. Let's see. I got first involved in the Spitz clock back in 1969, and I have a ring somewhere in my house that we got at that time. I don't have the husband that goes with it. He's now just a really good friend of mine, my ex-husband. But we got it at the Spitz Jewelers. And I remember we went by the Spitz clock, and we decided to celebrate that we were getting married. And we've done other things like that. In fact, another time in front of the Spitz clock, we were talking about, let's plan getting together, even though we're divorced, to celebrate the fact that we got together. So the Spitz clock is kind of special to me. It's just been there a long time, and I like it. I guess it's not really right for me to ask what I'm here for. I would give it status. I think it's definitely contributing. It's more fun than that. And I don't know what the hesitation is that has to do with keeping it up, but I agree in general that a little icon like this around our town does deserve some money. And in which case, if that's the problem, tell me, and I'll go to the city council and ask them to give some money. I hope this helps. I hope it isn't ridiculous. I'll go ask Rick what I should have said. Thank you very much for what you're doing. Status, I love it. When in doubt, give it. Okay, Elizabeth. Heather, anyone online wishing to comment on this case? Arios, Miss Stephanie Benonato. Miss Benonato, you can unmute. Please state your name and address for the record. Stephanie Benonato. I think I have to be sworn in. I need your address if you would, Stephanie. I'm sorry. PO Box 1601 Santa Fe, New Mexico. Thank you. Do you solemnly declare and affirm the testimony you have in reference to this item? Is the truth, the whole truth, and do this under the penalties of perjury? Yes, I do. I've always enjoyed this clock. I'm glad that it's finally coming forward to getting status. I do think it is significant. I am glad that it is considered a structure, as opposed to an exception to structures so that you can actually status it. And I think there does need to be some kind of maintenance for this clock. I understand from Mayor Garcia that there's a $9 million fund for maintenance. So I think people who are caring about this clock, like Miss West, should go to city council and should ask for funding for the maintenance of the clock. I also think that the photographs of showing its location on San Francisco Street should be used to promote why we have the H board because that photo shows what Santa Fe would look like if we did not have the historic design review ordinance that we do have. It would look like, you know, Main Street USA, and I don't think we would have the number of tourists that come here to enjoy the architecture and the preservation that we have here. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anyone else? If you have, I'd like to paint them at this point or any point. You want to cover the trade? Yeah, I just have some, I guess, comments. Remember, it says for status. We're not going into a lot of fixing. Yeah, I gotcha. Yes, just some comments, some things that came up. I think it'd be nice to create some space around this in some capacity. I know that's a little off topic, but there was just some commentary about, like, you know, it sits next to a couple newspaper machines and a trash can. I don't know if the 10-foot distance rule from a primary facade of a building would apply to this if it were statused. But just my comment as a being. Thank you. That's, I think those are very appropriate comments. Yeah, I just my opinion is it would be nice to see some sort of split. Yeah, some city sort of coordination to create some space around this that gives it its due. Anybody else? I'll entertain a motion in reference to the status. Make a motion. No, sir. In case 2026, 012779HDRB, 107 West Palace Avenue, the Spitz clock, I would move to status the clock as significant. Second, Degnan. Seconded. Do we have a roll call vote, please? Member Beshaid? Yes. Member Degnan? Yes. Member Cherry? Yes. Madam Chair, the vote has passed. Thank you. So the clock now has a status of significance, and we can, in the future, entertain what might happen to the clock in terms of its restoration. Even after this to the case on Maynard is the applicant. The applicant is not here. May I politely request to have them postpone to 08/11/2026? Do that. So in case 2026, 012691HTRB 216 Maynard, Unit A and B, I would move to postpone the case until, give me the dates again. August 11? August 11. You said seconds. Pablo, please. Member Cherry? Yes. Member Degnan? Yes. Member Bishai? Yes. The motion has passed. Short. Anything under discussion items? Staff. Thank you. Okay. Madras from the board. I just want to mention that Member Cherry is going to be conducting in the future a window workshop. And I'm a surprised Member Cherry. You're the curator. And so I'm excited for that, and it's going to include staff and members of the board. And I think that's long time coming. I think they'll be very helpful, especially for newish members. Doesn't. Yeah, I'd be happy to do it. And I think that so I'm not mistaken, I think the military also has some suggestions in terms of the rewrite, your reference to Windows, but I think we discussed in the rewrite. Yep. Right. I also would suggest that military Enger, instruction person on the board, also perhaps give us a workshop, consider giving us a workshop on today. We were discussing stucco, cementitious stucco versus artificial stucco. Different properties of that. Yeah. Would you be willing to do that in the future? Yes, I'd be happy to and work with Citi to provide that for the board or staff or both. That's helpful. So there's going to be a webinar that I got a message, Heather. There's going to be a webinar this Thursday. I think it's at 1:00, and it's free. People can either listen to the webinar or you can, they're going to record it. You can listen to it later on. It has to do with federal preservation. What's happening in the federal, in the federal picture these days with all the changes that are taking place? And Heather, you can add to that. You can expand on that if you wish. That's, Chair. I would like to be sponsored by the National Trust for Historic Preservation. And the form is about changes to Section 106 and regulations that are under threat. Certainly, you know about the discussion regarding Chaco Canyon and the threats to that cultural, very important cultural landscape that has great meaning to our Native American community. Also, this will provide an overview of what's happening at the federal level, which is implemented through the State Historic Preservation Office. So I think what is going to be really important, the important lesson here, is that is the reason our historic preservation is so important. We, at the local level, can still enforce these regulations. Our historic district's ordinance contains components of what's required for Section 106, although we have no jurisdiction over interiors, whereas Section 106 does. So, but I think it speaks to the importance of understanding our ordinance and its capacity. But I think this will be great. Director Lamboy, how do we access the webinar? Will you send us that link? Or, oh, I'll have to go check my email. Thank you. Likewise, we pull up the National Trust for Historic Preservation. It's advertised on, I think, their front page, or there might be a button for webinars, and you go to that. But it's pretty intuitive. Heather, is there anything else for board? Right. Our next meeting will be on 08/11/2026. And board members, if you're going to be absent, please let Amanda know. And you'll hear a motion to adjourn this very short meeting. Next meeting, we'll have 26 cases probably. Which I'd be asked to return? Those in favor say aye. Aye. And oppose, say no. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.