Bicycle and Pedestrians Advisory Committee
Thu, Sep 10, 2026 · Bicycle and Pedestrians Advisory Committee
https://santafeminutes.space/meeting/1061-bpac-sep-10-2026

== Executive Summary ==
The Bicycle and Pedestrians Advisory Committee met on 09/10/2026, discussing a range of topics from public safety and infrastructure projects to committee operational updates. Key discussions included the status of the St. Mike's Underpass and Bishop's Lodge Road projects, both facing significant funding challenges. The committee also delved into the city's street standards update, the Safe Routes to School program's progress, and efforts to combat bike theft and trail counter vandalism. A significant portion of the meeting was dedicated to the allocation of $100,000 for bike lane striping and maintenance, with debate over the longevity and cost-effectiveness of different materials.

Operational discussions focused on proposed amendments to the committee's resolution, including changes to membership requirements, subcommittee term limits, and the aspiration for the city to achieve 'gold' or 'diamond' level bicycle-friendly community status. The committee also addressed concerns about faded crosswalks, unclear bike lanes, and the city's new sidewalk repair program. Action items were assigned for staff to provide data, research alternative solutions, and draft revised language for the committee's resolution. Public comments primarily focused on inquiries about the status and funding of major infrastructure projects.

== Key Decisions ==
- Approved the meeting agenda as amended, removing item #4 (minutes approval) to be moved to the next month.
- Allocated $100,000 from the Complete Streets Division budget for the purchase of a walk-behind hot thermoplastic paint striping machine and bike symbols to refresh existing bike lanes.

== Motions & Votes ==
- Motion to approve the agenda as amended (removing item #4) — Passed unanimously by voice vote.

== Public Comment ==
Philip Crump inquired about the status, timeline, cost, and constraints of the St. Mike's Underpass project, as well as other ongoing or planned public works projects like the Bishop's Lodge Road reconfiguration. A committee member expressed concern about the longevity of 3M tape for striping and questioned its cost-effectiveness. Another member highlighted the unclear nature of bike lanes on Agua Fria and the need for better visual communication, while also raising concerns about faded crosswalks and suggesting increased funding for materials. A District 3 representative thanked the city for prioritizing South Side projects.

== Topics ==
- Henry Lynch Road Funding
- Safe Routes to School
- Stolen Bike Recoveries
- City Street Standards Update
- Albuquerque Traffic Code
- BPAC Strategic Plan
- Santa Fe High School Access
- Rail Trail Signage
- Pedestrian Fatal Crash
- Public Works Projects

== Full Transcript ==
Hey. Are we live yet? We are live. Awesome. Shall we start on time? Cool. I'm going to call to order the September 10, 2026 meeting of the Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee. Romela, could we please get a roll call?

Madam Chair, member Angela Bordegaray? She's coming, but maybe late. Member Robin Garson? Member Andrew Johns? Here. Member Mark McConnell? Yeah. Member Chandler Moore? Yeah. Member Ben Pingilley is coming. Member Gary Schiffmiller? Yeah. Member Dexter Wayne? Madam Chair? Sure. You have a quorum, Madam Chair.

Thank you. Do we have any changes to the agenda, Romela?

Yes, Madam Chair. The staff is requesting to remove agenda item number four, which is approval of minutes.

Okay. And we'll move that to next month?

Next month. Next month.

Thank you. I get a motion to approve as amended. Okay. Nope. I didn't make a motion. You gotta make a motion. One of you.

Can't figure out my microphone. I move to approve as amended.

Second.

Awesome. Everyone in favor, say aye.

Aye. Aye.

Great. Is anyone here for public comment? Does anyone want to talk to us? No? Alright.

Madam Chair, excuse me. Mike, can you please promote Mr. Philip Ramsey if he's already there? There are three people attending, members of the public.

Do any of them want to give public comment? Raise your hand online if you want to give public comment. First, I need to unmute. Yes.

But could you please tell us your name? We can't see you.

Yes. I'm sorry. My name is Philip Crump. I live at 1897 Conejo here in town. And I've got questions concerning public works projects. The first is the Saint Mike's Underpass. And I'd like to know the current status of that. What's the timeline, cost, and are there any constraints on that particular project? And also, any other projects that are on the books or underway, including Bishop's Lodge Road reconfiguration, and anything else. So it's kind of an open gathering, but I appreciate that. Thank you.

Anyone else for a public comment? Okay. We'll get to that. We're not really supposed to respond to public comment directly, but we will discuss those things in our presentations, I think. Is Ryan with us or not for communications for other agencies? Yes. Mike, Ryan. Can you hear us? Mike, can you see Ryan Harris? I don't see him. Ryan is not on. Okay. We can, I see Officer Ramirez come in. Yes. We can go to communication for other agencies, Santa Fe Police Department, Captain Ramirez.

Over the weekend, I don't know if you saw it on the public release stuff that Chief Valdez does, but they actually assisted in recovering a couple of stolen bikes over the weekend. One of them was specifically made for a 10-year-old with cerebral palsy. And that was the bike in question that they were able to initially recover. And then they were able to recover another bike off of a gentleman that said, or that basically, the guy that had the bike was from the child with cerebral palsy, said that he got it from another guy. They were able to locate that other guy, and he had a bike that was worth $9,000 that was stolen. So they were able to recover those two. They're doing some good work. They're opposite of our other bike team. Their common day is Saturdays, so they are out with at least six officers and two sergeants on Saturdays. They have eight, but one of them we're losing to a resignation this next week. That spot should be filled in about six weeks after our canine guys go to training. Once they come back, they're going to fill that spot with the next person on the list from our auxiliary bike team. And then the only other update is, we had a crash. Not, it might have been last week. I think it was last week. Sorry. My mind's all over the place, but it says over in Fiestas. On Saint Francis near San Mateo, it was a fatal crash involving a pedestrian. Preliminary findings so far are, the pedestrian was in the roadway, dark roadway, and was struck by a vehicle that was traveling northbound on Saint Francis. So it looks like preliminary, the pedestrian might be the one that was at fault for it, but the investigation is not complete yet. Once it's complete, we'll have more information on that for your incident.

Thank you. The bike team, do you know, do they have specific hours? Do you know what they're?

Yeah. So they work, all of our bike team members work 9:00 AM to 7:00 PM. So that's their coverage throughout the whole week. And right now, we have one team that works Wednesday through Saturday and then the other team that works Saturday through Tuesday.

Okay. Thank you. Does anyone on the committee have any questions for? That's good work. I've had several people, and I've seen the bike teams are very active. They're doing a great job. Two recoveries of stolen bikes in this month's time. That's great. Have there been, did we have a report on bike thefts, like we've talked about? Have there been many reported?

I was unable to pull those numbers, unfortunately, for this meeting. Just like I said, my mind has been over in Fiestas, and I'm pretty much running solo with those two events. So at the next meeting, I should be able to provide you with those numbers.

Thanks. Anyone else? Thank you. Thank you. Next, we have communications from other agencies. Oh, did Romela, is Ryan there yet? No. I can't read that from here. Yeah. Hey. Hi, Ryan.

Hello. Good evening, Chair Picali and members of the committee. Sorry. I was having some technical issues. I had no audio, so it'd be difficult to have a conversation. To fill you in on what's been going on at Safe Routes to School, on the 27th and 28th of last month, we hosted the New Mexico Safe Routes to School Summit. We had 50 participants from all over the state, and we heard from excellent presenters, such as Made to Walk, Las Cruces Public Schools, Albuquerque Public Schools, Kitticle Mass, Esperanza Bike Shop. We had an excellent presentation from Romela, and we heard from Tool Design about some other projects from around the country as well. Some really inspiring stuff, really brought a lot of really good people together. We also had several really good rides and visits and site visits, including attending the ribbon-cutting ceremony for the new Tierra Contenta Trail, which looks beautiful. And Romela, thanks for the invite for that. And we took a look at the Hermanos Rodriguez Park Trail connection with Tim Rogers as a really great example of interagency cooperation. We've had great feedback. Some new partnerships have already been acted upon, including a statewide conversation about school site access that was really inspired by our new gate at Santa Fe High School, allowing access from the trail. So a few of us have been meeting with the New Mexico Public Schools Facility Authority, who sets the standards for how schools should be built, and we're working on changing their recommendations to make sure that pedestrians separate entrances than motor vehicles to school sites. So that's pretty exciting. That's been a big problem for a long time.

Otherwise, upcoming events, we've got our new and improved bike rodeo is debuting at Sweeney for the next two weeks with the curriculum developed from teacher feedback and observations from last year. I will be presenting about the bike rodeo program at the National Safe Routes to School Conference in October. And I've started procurement for a second trailer and fleet for third to fifth graders, so we should be expanding the bike rodeo program quite a bit this school year and really working towards our goal of having bike education at every school for every student on bike education. The RTS bike club is expanding, so that's going to be starting, I think next week, will be twice a week through two separate programs, so we'll double our access. So the original 13 kids who were signed up for the Friday evening ones are going to still be doing theirs, but there will be a second bike club on Mondays through their after-school program.

What else? So we've got Bike to School Day coming up. So all 14 of our schools that currently host a Walk and Roll to School program will celebrate that on various days around October 7. For that, we enhance the normal walk with extra incentives and activities and ramp up the advertising a little bit and try to get some more families involved. This November, again, we'll be doing our third annual celebration of Ruby Bridges Walk to School Day. We'll do the story walks out again to encourage conversation about community equity and the progress we've made in civil rights as a country, while still recognizing how far we still have to go.

And lastly, I want to pitch that we are working in partnership with the City of Albuquerque to host a League of American Bicyclists LCI seminar in Albuquerque on November 13th to 15th, and we're still looking for more participants, where people can become certified League of American Cyclist instructors. It's an excellent opportunity. Many of the LCIs locally had to fly all over the country to attend their seminars. I know one went to Florida, one went to Minnesota. So having one as close as Albuquerque is a really great opportunity for people. And, yeah, interested folks can go to bikeleague.org and go to their events calendar, and I'll be sending a flyer over to Romela for distribution for that as well. But early bird pricing ends on October 15, so we're hoping to get some people signed up sooner than later. And other than that, I'll stand for questions.

Thank you, Ryan. Does anyone on the committee have any questions or anything for Ryan? No. Right? Job. Good day. Sounds like you're doing a lot. Glad we're getting the school year off to a good start.

Thank you. It's been a busy year, so thank you.

Awesome. So we can move on to communication for other agencies. NFA Metropolitan Planning Organization. Not Erick Aune. I'm not sure that mic is on. No. We need you to have the mic on. Okay. There we go. Say your name.

Councilor, members of the committee. My name is Carrie Treblat. I am a senior planner with the Metropolitan Planning Organization. We don't have a whole too many updates for you today. I think the main thing we've been working really hard on and are just wrapping up is our effort to work with the city to update the city street standards. So that's been a years-long effort, and we finally have finalized all the comments incorporated, addressed all the comments from different departments and divisions, and we're going to be looking to take that to general body for adoption fairly soon. So hopefully, we'll have a great update that it's been adopted, and we'll have it implemented in projects. And so that'll influence everything from streets in the land development standard, so for site plans and subdivisions. And it will also impact capital planning or and capital projects for this. So it's a pretty monumental effort, and that'll be a huge, a huge win to have that adopted. And then the only other thing I have is we have been working with Ryan Harris and also with Santa Fe High School on coming up with some very simple strategies to improve access to school. There's been a lot of issues. And I think a couple years ago, there was a student that was hit trying to get to school. So we've been trying to address some of those issues, and we have some, we got our first pass from the consultant on some concept level plans, and we've submitted comments. And hopefully, we'll have something to move forward into design fairly soon, or just suggestions for the city to take into design if possible.

And I think that covers it for now. With that, I stand for questions. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for that. Could you describe the situation at Santa Fe High and the lack of access? I'm very familiar with it. My daughter went there. I went there a long time ago. There was no fencing. So you're probably more familiar than me.

We did do a site visit, so I can say it's just, first of all, Yucca Street and Siringo are both very high-speed arterials. So it's a very challenging situation anyway. Just having students cross both of those streets are pretty challenging. The good thing is that it is very close to the area of Chamisa Trail, so there is potential for bike access. But I think the primary concern is just because there are so many queues, parents often drop their kids off across on the other side of Yucca Street, and there's just not a lot of great crossing opportunities. There's not a lot of traffic control, so they're kind of now just darting out whenever they can. There's also a pretty, there's a grade, so there's not great visibility as cars are coming over the curve. So they have to run pretty fast to try to get out of the way. And so it's not hard to see how there was an incident a couple years ago. And luckily, it was not a fatal incident, but it easily seems like it could be if it's not addressed. So I think most of the effort now is to try to see what we can do to calm the speeds and also provide a safer crossing for kids across Yucca.

Thank you. Yeah, I remember that. It's a cluster after school. So it's related to the streets, making the streets safer. Is it a relation to early access points to the campus? I mean, I don't know if you've covered that. You look at it and you can get in one way. One place. You should be able to. And that is something the school, I think, is already working on. So that's not something the MPO is looking more at the streets in the city streets. But I do believe that the school has been working on different accesses because there is potential for one from Siringo.

Yeah, Ryan, did you want to add anything? I saw that your video came back up. Yeah, I mean, I would just, it just popped back up because we were talking about the project I was involved with. Yeah, I thought you summed it up very well. Yeah, it's just a combination of the one entrance to the school. So every car is trying to get through one entrance, including the pedestrian and any pedestrians, and anyone on bikes if they're not using the new gate, which really just became operational. So we're still building that user ship there. And yeah, and the lack of any pedestrian infrastructure whatsoever, including even just a crosswalk. So yeah, we're looking at really just getting kids across that street safer, just like you said. We are looking at getting some access from Siringo without interfering with the bus system that's coming through from that direction also. So there's been some proposed traffic flow changes through campus that are hopefully going to help a little bit where we can route some of those parents or some of maybe some of the student drivers to a different entrance. And yeah, I think we've got to start by adding the one gate on the south end, but even then, I was just telling people the other day, I think it was last Friday, I was going up Bowtech Road and watched two high schoolers climb the eight-foot fence there. And one hopped down and the other one tried to catch the other one and they both ended up in the road on their backs and it was just, I mean, there's certainly still access issues depending on which direction these students are trying to go. And we need to work on that. We are working on that.

Thank you. Any other less troubling comments? Ben? So, Ryan, you mentioned a gate, a new gate. Is that connecting to the Chamisa Trail? Yes, on the south side of the trail. There was a path that led right to the chain link fence, but then there was no gate in the fence itself. So it looks like at some point there was access there, and there hasn't been for at least a decade. So we added a powered automated gate, so it automatically opens during pickup and drop off and then locks for the rest of the day, because that's our biggest concern with adding more access points is security gets really concerned about that. So that was kind of our compromise is that it's only accessible during certain times during the day. It does have a key card reader, so students who need to, like, either high school, other seniors who leave early to go to work and things like that, we're able to change their student IDs so that they can scan in and out of the gate. So there is some additional access there as well. Thank you. It's not open for gloom games, just FYI. Don't try to go in that way. I can certainly have a conversation with security about getting that open for events.

Yeah. Any other questions for Carrie? I was wondering if you could give a brief overview. I think you called it the Better Streets Initiative, this street designs guide. Actually, so I think we have come before this board before with kind of an overview, and I know a lot of you are all new. So we could come back and do a proper presentation on what all it includes. But just to summarize, it kind of consolidates all the different kinds of, I mean, there are a lot of federal guidance manuals, and then there's city design standards. So it kind of tries to bring all of those together into one document. But it's definitely also updating a lot of what currently exists in the chapter 14 of the city ordinance. And it has everything from, you know, with preferred width of lanes to guidance on when you should add right turn lanes or left turn lanes. So it kind of is, all of that exists in different places in federal in the AASHTO guidance now. It's kind of trying to consolidate all of that. And then it's different than the standards in chapter 14, of course. Those are standards. This is more of a guide, so it's kind of helping you interpret how to apply those in different scenarios and how to, when there's gray area, which always comes up in reality, it's kind of how to make better judgments on those kinds of things. So we can definitely come back and do a more comprehensive presentation on what all it includes. It's going to be like 500 pages. So there's quite a bit in it, and that's why it has taken so long for us to get to this point. But be happy to do that.

Yeah, I think that'd be great. I know I've talked to Eric about getting it introduced soon. Super exciting. Approval. So yeah. And Ramel, we could get that on a future agenda around the time it gets introduced. That would be great. Maybe we could give a recommendation on it once it's in the works officially. I know it's been in the works for years, but once it's on a piece of paper, that would be great. Anything else? I had a question. It's a follow-up to last meeting where we were talking about access, and I know it's not public access, but to be able to see for the events and traffic data, the AI program that Eric had. Oh, I think I must have sent my request to the wrong person. Could I just send you a request so you can log in for that? Oh, you mean, are you just asking for our data on, like, counts? And yeah, you said we'd be able to, okay, hypothetically, just log in and see all of the different. Sure, I can send links and how to get into everything. Thank you. I will.

That does remind me. I do one of my updates. I forgot. Unfortunately, some sad news. One of the things MPO does is it counts, and we have counters on all the trails throughout the city and county. And unfortunately, in the last couple months, we've had vandalism of three of our counters. We just, over the weekend, got an alert that one that we just replaced on Saint Francis and the river trail at Saint Francis and Alameda was stolen. So we had just replaced it. So we're trying to figure out how to, how we're going to go forward so that this doesn't become a bigger problem. But it's, we've had these up for years and never had any problem until the last couple of months when we had three in a row vandalized. So that's something we'll have to address to make sure we keep having good data to provide and so that's another thing we'll be working on. Yeah, go ahead. That's interesting. I'm curious what they look like, and do they resemble these block cameras? Yeah, so yeah, I mean, what is the motivation? That is, yeah, that is kind of our best guess as to why this is happening. Yeah, and I know I saw in the news the speed cameras that just went up also had a problem. So it seems to be a broader issue that's coming up. Maybe you need to mark them, like, this is a traffic, you know, like, bike. Yeah, that's, that was our thought as one way so that if they tried it, yeah, to make it clear they're not flop cameras. So anyone else? No. Alright. Thank you, Carrie. Yeah, thank you.

Moving on to discussion and possible action items. We have update on the allocation and use of the $100,000 designated to Complete Streets Division for the maintenance of bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure pursuant to Resolution No. 2024-12. And Marcos Esquibel, Acting Complete Streets Division Director, here. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Good evening, Chair Begali and members of the committee. Thank you for having me. My update's pretty brief. Just to let you know on the $100,000 maintenance allocation that we had added to our budget for bicycle lane maintenance, we're currently seeking two different routes on utilizing the funds equally, about $50,000 each. First thing we're currently trying to do is to purchase and get the guys trained up on a walk-behind hot thermoplastic paint striping machine. And the purpose for that will be to maintain, as the city moves forward in our road rehab projects and some of our other projects, we're going with hot thermal striping instead of standard striping because of the longevity of it on the roads and on the bike lanes, specifically with the green paint that we're doing, for example, on Airport Road and on all the high conflict bike lanes. What we want to do is start off by getting our crews trained up and able to utilize that machine to maintain what we're starting to do. Currently, we don't do it in-house. The long lines, which are all, you know, the long lines are on the roadway, those will still be done via contract, get those respect when the time comes. But in the meantime, we want to get the crews trained up, utilizing small walk-behind machines with the maintained symbols and smaller green areas that are striped. Our operations traffic operations manager is currently looking at the machines. He's trying to take his time because, again, he's trying to get some demos done on some, get the guys trained up, but he has any experience in this yet. So he's trying places that'll demo and train at the same time. We absolutely love purchasing one. And then the other thing we're doing is we're looking to purchase bike symbols so we can refresh bike symbols throughout the bike lanes in Santa Fe. Currently, the bike symbols and the arrow that pass the bike symbol where you can have your bike symbol in a directional arrow, well, not the Charles in this case, just the inline symbols.

It's looking like with the other $50,000, we might be able to purchase. At first, we were thinking 142. It's looking now we might be able to get about 242 symbols. And the plan there is to refresh what needs refreshing that's already there. And then, once that part's complete, then we'll look on enhancing any of the lanes that we can with whatever's left, if there are any left.

And Carrie and the MPO have been kind enough to provide us with the traffic count from the daily traffic count on these bike corridors, including Strava, right, with the bike counts since she's kind of ranked that out for us. What I can do is I'll submit that to you guys if you want to review it, and you can send comments on it, and we can see what enhancements we want to make with those bikes to boost in the corridors. And the one they're asking for is all of Agua Fria between Siler and Maze Road. They're noticing a lot of cars parking in the bike lanes there. We can enhance over the last few years. But everything, I wonder if we log those in. So that's where we are with that. It's still taking us a little bit of time, but that's cool with the first round of the $100,000, and then we will still be working to meet the requirements of the resolution board to determine that Senate annual budget to adjust that 100. So we are nice to. Thank you.

So I was curious about prices. How much do those bike symbols cost?

Right now, let's see here. So a pack of two, these ones are 3M tape because we're not able to do the thermal yet ourselves, right? So the refreshing, the 3M tape, these ones are $252 for a pack of two, and then the arrows are $171.36 for a pack.

Gotcha. And how much does it cost to do the green striping across the road?

The green striping, it's so variable. It depends. We had to do it on vice folks. Now that we're to give you an idea of the thought process there, so we've done quite a bit on phase one of the Airport Road construction. RoadSafe was doing the striping there. Once they're done with the striping, I asked the project manager that's handling Airport Road to talk with them to start getting us numbers and expect maybe as possible. For example, let's start with their program. I think that's what we have to help.

Yeah. Those numbers on when we could anticipate having to restripe and help those. Thanks. So the idea will be that those symbols can be thermo-striped later. Is that the idea, or is it always the purchasing of these symbols?

Well, on the road rehab projects that we're doing now, we're doing those in thermal. Because our guys aren't trained up on it yet, we're going to replace with 3M tape, which has been the standard. But even the 3M tape often needs to be replaced during, like, one to three years. So as we as we move forward, if we enhance bike lanes, as we continue to do road rehab projects, some of our most larger projects as we move forward in the future, I think that they're more striking is going to become more and more common. But we'll just for now, we'll just move forward with that. Then if we come back and we have to, we can do a bike lane that wasn't paid for it. Because a lot of that might also require eradication, we've got to actually have those symbols. So for now, the new projects that we're starting with a new new notes for this, we'll move forward with that long term. That's not. Thank you.

Yep. No. I was going to say, anyone else? So it sounds like the whole, the entire budget is for planning. This is solely for the striping machine and for the maintenance of the symbols that already exist, right?

Yes, sir.

I wonder, it sounds, it sounds like the 3M tape, like, its longevity is not quite up to, you know, like, maybe what we would want. One to two years doesn't sound that cost-effective to me. I'm wondering if it would make sense to forego that in favor of waiting for the striping machines that we could then do it in a longer-term way and save that money for else. Is that an option?

We can discuss the option, but I think that would be a long one because the, the thing with the, the thing with the thermal striping too is those symbols are actually, and that's another thing with input cost. We don't know. This is like I said, this is ongoing for us. So it's something we can revisit. And the, and the life on the 3M tape, it literally just varies on where it's at and what kind of traffic it's getting, right? Ideally, you don't want, I think the, I think the standard of longevity of it is typically five and stuff traveling on, I think, based on where it's fixing those are. I think a lot of traffic in that number. Sure. They'll make this. So it varies, but I don't think it's going to, I don't think we can expect every single run.

From what you've been seeing with people parking in the bike lane, I think you mentioned on Agua Fria, do we have data that says that having paint on the road will stop that, or is it something else? Like, I honestly didn't know that was an official bike lane.

So that one, it might help, right? But yeah. I mean, across from Temple Road. I don't know. Can we, can we, can make it a bike lane? That's great. We'll take it. We'll take it. Honestly, I'm taking the bikers' words for it.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think all of, most or all of Agua Fria is very unclear, which parts are bike lanes, which parts are shoulders, which, which parts have sidewalks that work.

Yeah. And like typical in the city of Santa Fe, right, there will see a million versions of the same thing just the age of the city. And that's one thing we're trying to do as we move forward with our road rehab. Having the engineers help us implement as many pedestrian bike. I support. Easily make those for those, like, areas. Projects as we're coming up. There's a lot of give and take. There's a lot of options in each of them. We're doing our best to get as far as.

Maybe the answer to my question is to do the paint and then find out if it's working. Right.

That's, that's another advantage to, one of our thoughts with the Airport Road too is let's, let's do as many of the improvements as we can. And, of course, we'll start with eight because the eight will help us kind of determine what's working and what's not working. We'll see the vehicle marks, for example, if they're turning that on the intersection, say we have that intersection or maybe it out, strike down or directional, so not area of that one of the intersection will be following that, or is there heavy tracking that they're completely disregarding it? I think one thing that helps with this long-term planning would be like, maybe, maybe based on what we're seeing, with the paint, is it worth to maybe the harden sure of some the same thing with Stripe. It's going to help us kind of see what does work. Does it work? And we're kind of using that as a see. These enhancements to kind of measure. Right.

So are, is there, like, a standard or requirement for how often there's a bike lane symbol, you know, the little?

The symbols themselves don't have a hardened just since they let the municipalities kind of make engineering judgments on that. Typically, what you'll see is at the beginning of a major block or intersection or at the end of an intersection once you cross through, they'll start there. And then typically, you'll see on average probably about every 1,500 feet, but they let the municipalities make engineering doesn't falls on that.

So I've seen a lot of the work that you all have done, that your department's done this year. It looks great over by Airport Road. They're doing a good job. But the, the striping, the thermoplastic striping, so we can figure out we have a $100,000, and we went over the cost of the machine and the cost per mile for thermoplastic when you and I had our meeting. How many miles total are we planning for, for thermoplastic striping?

Well, that, that varies based on, so that varies based on every single project in terms of we're completely restriping the road in thermal, so it's going to, it's going to depend on the length of the section road we're rehabbing. And then if we're implementing bike lanes, if we're implementing, you know, hush puppies on those lanes, if we're implementing the turning lanes. So every, the amount of striping we're doing on every road is based on asset.

Do you think there will still be the $50,000 leftover, of residual?

Well, so, and maybe there's a misunderstanding there. So the $50,000 is for the small walk behind to help us just do, like, small maintenance things where we can because ultimately the long lines require a huge specialized striping truck.

Yeah. And I think I was misunderstanding your question. I apologize. But the striping that we're implementing on the rehab projects, thermal striping that we're doing for including that budget. So we're not taking the $100,000 maintenance implement for striping or be used to help maintain what we originally in the future. I think the machine to look at is the one that we had talked about, the Graco 200 TC, because you can get that as a government, especially as a government purchase. I think a retail on one of those machines is about $8,000. And if you do it as a, a, a government buy, you can get a discount. I think they're about $6,000. That'll save a lot of money that could then go to other improvements, right, out of the same.

That'd be, that'd be great. Yeah. And that's, you know, and like I said, the, the $50,000 we have set aside is intended to purchase the machine, and then, of course, you need product for the machine. We need templates, and then if we need to train up the guys. But, again, it's, it was just based on some preliminary estimates we saw or preliminary research we saw on what the machines cost. And I've seen them almost 38,000, 42,000 as well as you're aware. But, absolutely, we want to make sure we're getting first of all, some things we're going to be able to use that'll be efficient for the need and then getting the guys trained up on the, you know, we want to purchase it and then just thank you for that information.

So I thought operations. Is this separate? Just so I know, then what we had voted on last, was that Parks and Rec that's doing the signs, not Complete Streets?

Yeah. This is, this is a separate item. Angela, did you have something?

Key chair. Thank you for all the work you're doing. This actually, this may be where I can cover my item D that is on our agenda because I have a question about basically the Rodeo Road and Camino Carlos Way intersection. Now I'm learning about striping. And, my question was, it's been nicely restriped, the road, the traffic, lines as well as the bike lanes. But at the intersection, it's at the intersection where, like, Trader Joe's is on the Northwest Corner in newer neighborhoods. So trying to make this more neighborhood friendly. It's those thick stripes that are, they're the thicker stripes at, at the, at an intersection. It's not a crosswalk, right? Because I understand there's standards for crosswalks and how you can put crosswalks in. But it, it is, it functions as a lane, right, for pedestrians. And, is that not part of the road rehab, project in this, this particular case? Do you know? Because they were made, and then these haven't been restriped. And they're real faded. So it's that's my concern is, or interest in seeing those lines, enhanced. Yes. And for safety.

Yes. Thank you for the question. And, and, yes, those are that, those do actually constitute crosswalk. Those currently are typically also done in 3M tape. Sometimes they'll work, they will paint it down. But the long lines that you see being upgraded all over town, that's using the painting truck. And then they'll come in as they can, and they'll, do either the 3M tape or paint the crosswalks.

Where we're at now, though, is they've already utilized all their supply, and we're waiting for carry forwards from the budget to move forward to just others. They do have a minimal supply that they've retained for a project coming up from cooperation that's on this new. So we can immediately go, maybe a portion of that stop project that we're doing. Otherwise, they're waiting for the budget cycle to complete itself. We're very forced to use it when we have appeals issued against their supplies distracted.

Great. That's cool. Back in approaching this, I've been thinking it through. That's my, that was my thought. And, does it point to a need to increase funding for the materials? Because we're the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee, and it's so, not like it's kind of like low-hanging fruit, visual communication, signage, and colors, but stripes, you know, like neighborhoods that have, if you see a bright crosswalk, you're not going to turn right into it. So I guess my question was, do we need to increase resources for that for pedestrian safety in our community?

Absolutely. You can do that.

Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks. I have, I wanted to bring back the public comment question earlier. I don't know if it's really for you or for Romella, but the St. Mike's Underpass, I know that we have it on our ICIP list, and Bishop's Lodge also. Can either of you give just a brief update for the, for the public on where we are on those?

Yes. I'll, I'll defer to Romella as she is intimately knowledgeable about aspects. So Saint Mike's Underpass, Saint Michael's Drive Rail Trail Underpass. We are at that 60% design. First, we don't have construction funding for this project. So we are, we applied for construction funding twice under SS4A, which is Safe Street for All, but we failed. I think the, the priority, the priority for SS4A is if there are fatal crashes or there are fatalities within the last five years. And at this intersection, there were two fatalities, but they, they occurred in 2014 and 2016, so they are all already outside that timeframe. And it's, and as I said with, I was speaking with an NMDOT staff, and I said that that program is so idiotic because why wait for fatality before they give us funding to construct, to construct this project?

So design, we are at 60% design, and I am going to, for the city staff and BPAC and MPO to review the design before we submit it to NMDOT for, for their review at 60%. And so we anticipate finishing the design in, within a year and a half, but we are already actively finding the construction funding or applying for, for construction funding. One source is the HSIP, which is the Highway Safety Safety Improvement Program, because they conducted or they paid for the road safety audit for this, for this project. The constraint is that to answer Mr. Philip Crump's question, what are the constraints? This is a multimillion-dollar project. Cost estimate is already at $30,000,000. But if we finish the design, it's a lot easier or is better chance for federal program or to, to give us some construction funding rather than you are applying for funding and you still don't have the design completed.

The Bishop's Lodge Road, the design was completed about two years ago. And, and that is, the, the BPAC, BPAC prioritized that project about five years ago, five or six years ago. The problem with that is that when we were up, when we finished the design, and Mr. Miller is here, and he was a member of the design team. Our former department director told us that don't, don't look for funding because this was not a priority anymore for the city. That is ready for funding. However, it needs, like, $25,000,000 to reconstruct that roadway. However, we can phase the construction for this project. Phase A, we only need $5,000,000. Phase B, $10,000,000 up to Phase C. So, funding that project, we can go to build another federal program. However, it's a very difficult funding application to do because there's so much economics. But that's where we are. If the, if the governing body prioritizes this project in the ICIP, the legislative, the legislature doesn't give, like, $30,000,000 for a roadway project. The highest we received was $100,000. But I can, in the funding application, I can write that this is number one or number two in the ICIP, which is prioritized by the governing body. That's all.

Thank you. Thank you, Romella. Does anyone have any other questions for Dr. Esquibel? How can we help get you more money to complete your projects if the budget is part of the problem?

We need all the help we can get, however you see fit. I think, honestly, just, I mean, continuing to reach out to the governing body and administration and just, just showing your support kind of helps. I know we have a very supportive administration right now too that's doing what they can to help. So, you know, I think as long as we all keep pressing toward those improvements and trying to meet our obligations and our goal of Vision Zero, it seems like this, everybody keeps working together and we work again. Where do we plan?

Yes. The difficulty with the streets maintenance because you cannot get grants for maintaining a roadway, but you can get grants for redesigning and constructing a roadway or reconstructing a roadway. So when we, for example, my section applies for funding to redesign or design and reconstruct a roadway, the funding agreement specifically states that it's the City of Santa Fe's responsibility to maintain that roadway. So maintenance, they depend on the operational funds. And if you can, if you remember two years ago, they issued a GO bond for $25,000,000 to, to rehabilitate our roadways. And I don't know how much is left, but that is one way to, to fund the maintenance of our roadways. Second is legislative. I think our Marcus, Marcos put a pavement rehabilitation in the ICIP. But as, as I said, legislature doesn't give us a lot of money for roadway reconstruction. They put a lot of money in airport, airport and affordable housing. So if we get some, like, $100,000, $150,000, what, what can you do with $100 or $150,000? It's peanuts. But long answer to short question. It's, it's complicated, and that was one thing that, this administration is trying to help us with is getting recurring funding in our operation. It's definitely a struggle where it makes division out of the league budget. That's key. Otherwise, your bond makes it difficult to plan, make these projects if you're getting any money at home. Right? So that's, thank you.

Thank you for coming, and thank you for spending so much time with us. We appreciate it. Next is, Barriers to Retrofitting Existing Buffered Bike Lanes with Protected Bike Lanes, Ben Pingilley. Do I need to go up there? No. Okay. You can just have your mic on.

So I actually talked to Marcos for a while at the Tier Content Trail opening. And, so I was talking to him about, doing protected bike lanes, and, essentially, it kept coming back to maintenance funding. We're not able to install anything until we can maintain it, and it's the, the plowing and the sweeping. So I think we need to come up with, so Romella, you said that operational funds are what do the maintenance of streets. Right? Is that what every other city does? Like, so they have to rely on operational funds like bonds? Sorry to make you get back up, Marcos.

Chair Fidelity, members of the committee, thank you for the question. Honestly, I can't answer yes or no because I don't know factually. Sure. But from what I've heard, yeah, it's pretty rare not to, not to fund operational maintenance. And if, again, if you're going to have a weekend program of any sort, responsibility is to maintain the workplace. Should have under, so I would assume that cities do.

And then, so you mentioned bonds. Romella mentioned bonds. Is that how we get the city committed to it? Is we have to create a bond? Or,

The, the two years ago, as far as I, I know, that was the first deal bond that was issued for maintaining roadways because all our deal bonds were issued to, design and construct trails. That is 2014. There were number of trails that were designed and constructed at the time. Then we stopped issuing GO bonds. There were two GO bonds for trails, 2014, 2016, and then we stopped. The next GO bond was the $25,000,000 GO bond. The, the difficulty with GO bonds is that there is a requirement that whatever you construct with GO bonds, the life, lifetime, sure. Lifetime is should be, should last, like, twenty years, the lifetime of the bonds. So when we issued GO bonds, it's for constructing a trail because the lifetime of a roadway or, a trail is at least twenty years.

I think, in theory, it could be part of the budget. We just don't have it as part of the budget. I don't, I don't know if there's a reason we can't. It just hasn't been done. And to my understanding, it's now so not how the state works, which is a little, I, I hope, an anomaly. I don't know if it's an anomaly. But, so it might be a, a case of trying to influence the budget process to make sure that we have maintenance as a larger line item in the budget.

Okay. So who do we need to talk to about getting it? Probably the mayor. Yeah. Not me. Yes. The former chair of this committee, the mayor. Okay.

And if I may, I'm not sure if you're aware too that they, the governing body has approved another round of. This one puts parks, Midtown, streets as well. Yeah. A portion of it has $10,000,000. The rent GO bond movements and then I believe for other sidewalk. That will be on the November ballot this year. So it's too late to do anything this year, but we need to work on getting it on for next year?

I, to my understanding, yes. For the fiscal, next fiscal year, which starts in June, which the budget sort of starts soon after the new year, like, the calendar new year. Yes. Okay. Anyone else have any questions for Ben? Sure. It's your item. Thanks, Ben. I don't know if it's for you. I have a question for Marcos. Is that okay? In, in the realm of that? Okay. He's indulging us by still talking to us then. Yeah. So appreciate you mentioning the GO bond. And so this discussion to me, how is it, what Ben's brought up, related to, so the GO bond that is two years old now, right? That was a list of streets, specific streets. And that was a real push to, like, get that through. I guess my question would be, what is the status of that? Like, could that work? Like, you know, are we going down the list and how's that related to, it's,

Everything was very expensive, and so we got partway down the list. Oh, you did? Okay. I mean,

Well, Mark, Mark, I'll answer that. But comment on that. Yeah. Thanks. Yes. So, the, thank you for the question. The original $25,000,000 GO bond list, the list was created high level, I want to say maybe '23. You know, it was, it was quite a time ago. I want to say, three years. Yeah. Because I think it was originally going to be a 2024 bond list, ended up with 25 bond list. But regardless, so there's kind of three key factors that have minimized the amount of work we've actually been able to get done. So the biggest impact right now is, for example, for the sake of creating the list and the, and the scope of work, $30.00 per work, for example. The original levels are real high estimate, which meant they essentially accounted for the cost of repaving and, say, striping the road, generally speaking, from one end to the other. When the money is actually available and we're planning for actual construction, when we're walking the project to develop the scope at that time, what you see is further deterioration of the road, right, because the road doesn't stop deteriorating while we're waiting on money. The sidewalks, shove, heave, frost heave, deteriorate, the crosswalks. Other things we need to be sure we're accounting for is, like, loop detectors get torn up when they're repaving.

Those have to be replaced. So the scope, generally speaking, increases once we're actually boots on the ground, creating the scope for the actual project. And then a couple of other things that happened is, of course, construction costs as a whole have increased, but we also did a 20% increase to the contract, which increased costs. And then, what's the other? Right. Yep. I forget the word. But the biggest impact is the actual scope, right? The scope of the project. Oh, and this is the other thing too. So anytime we do any kind of rehabilitation to a roadway, we're required to upgrade pedestrian access routes to PROWAG, Pedestrian Access Pedestrian Right-of-Way Accessibility Guidelines. That's the other cost. So on the Jaguar, for example, which is one of the other roads we currently have on the list, I want to say the original projections were around $500,000 for the roadway, but when we were boots on the ground, ready to do the project, we found every ADA ramp on that electrical was out of compliance. That $500,000 bucket ended up here. So situations like that greatly enhance the actual cost.

Thank you. It sounds like it's scope creep once you try to do a road. I mean, I'm thinking of West Buena Vista by Galisteo. It's just a complete rodeo. It's like, and it's older sidewalks. And so if you were to go to that needed area, it would mean that you'd have a lot more work and money going into the sidewalks and making it all ADA compliant. You can't just go and put down some new pavement. And if you're familiar with that corridor, yeah, all the sidewalks that I find.

Yeah. The challenge with that particular stretch of roadway is going to be you have concrete over asphalt, asphalt over concrete over mix, right? And because of the age of the road too, there's also some avenues that can happen underneath that. And so it's like, for example, that road, I think when we go to boots on the ground, we'll probably start getting that to that. It'd be a significant increase. Yeah. So these are the challenges we face. It really depends on what's actually happening in the moment, what's on the ground, quantities of both.

Thank you for that background. That begs two more questions for me. We do obviously have, we're a historic, ancient city. There's sidewalks that are not going to be changed into ADA. Water Street, Bypass walls, they're, we're never going to change and make it all accessible. And I just say that not as a political statement. I'm just saying historic preservation standpoint. So that neighborhood is Don Gaspar, South Capitol. And those are a lot of historic sidewalks. If you, when you go to do that, say you could do that whole street and it would require bringing the sidewalks up to code and ADA accessible. Is that what, like, sidewalks would be completely reconstructed brand new or, I mean, what's that process? Because you're in, in, in this city, you know, we've got a lot of variables and ancient sidewalks and terrible sidewalks, but they're historic.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with our sidewalk repair program that we have in place now. So last year, the city implemented a sidewalk repair program, and it was in response to the load of constituent complaints coming in on sidewalks that were trip hazards, that were deteriorated, that were inaccessible. And the city created a sidewalk repair program to help us address that. What the sidewalk repair program does is a lot of homeowners or the residents of Santa Fe aren't aware that the maintenance of the sidewalk, even though it's within the public right-of-way, was the responsibility of the property owner adjacent to that sidewalk. So what the sidewalk repair program does is it allows us to, as complaints come in and we find out about the deteriorated sidewalk, right now, it's essentially just on a basis, pretty much exactly to begin with. We've, we've contracted with WSP to have their support in the program. What they do is once we're made aware of a situation with the sidewalk, our sidewalk superintendent will evaluate, first of all, is it city maintained or private or commercial maintained? That's another entity maintained side. She makes that determination. If it is not ours, we'll submit it to WSP. We'll send their inspector out. They'll actually do an inspection report on that. That inspection report, I mean, it's that's out of compliance. And that inspection report in turn is submitted to us. Actually, Prisha and her team then begin the process of notice of violation, and informing the appropriate resident, commercial, whoever entity that the sidewalk is out of compliance. And then city's code allows 30 days for them to either remedy it or if we're able to or they have 15 days to fulfill it. And based on the approval of the Public Works Director, there's a pool of funds in Public Works. We then can go in and have our contractors through Eric, again, lien the property for the cost of the repair. There's a huge process that takes place before that. So what we're trying to do through the GO bond is we're trying to get WSP ahead of us on the roads that we have planned. Go ahead and start that NOV process for a couple of reasons is, number one, if we can get them, let's say, approximately a year ahead of us, it'll help the process run quicker because anything that needs to be done with the sidewalks by the residents, they'll have time to do it. But the vast majority are letting us just lien. They're saying, "Yes, please just lien it," because they know it's not enough to fix them up front, from the side of them, whatever. But that gets those sidewalks repaired ahead of us so we can come in and do the ramps and the paint. But that's the goal. That's where we're in now. We're trying to get ahead of ourselves with it. It's a massive lift itself to, again, capacity short staff, massive amount of paperwork trying to do that. But that's ideally the goal of the NOV process is to, first of all, notify the homeowners, the residents that it is your responsibility, give them a means to fix it or a means to allow us to fix it, and then repair what we can where we can long term. But I, I think in the midst of explaining all that to you, I'm going to what your question was, but I hope I answered it.

Oh, you have and more. I, I think that's, I think that's very helpful and appreciate knowing how you're implementing it. That's what I'm always interested in, interested in is implementation of you got the GO bond and then how's the city. So appreciate knowing all that. So that long list was a really long list. Basically, expectations should be that it's going to be a few a year or however.

Yes. Right now, we've needed three or four. Well, the completion of Phase B of Airport will be, I think, three or four roadways we needed. Currently, for the next cycle, we still have $17 million of the $25 million available. A vast majority of that will be, like, next round. We have some road planned from us. I think it's Cheryl Court to Airport Road. We have South Meadows from all of the Airport Road plan, Country Club. Two of those I can continue to work our way down this. And then with the funds and the new new deal bond that that passes, we'll continue to work early. Currently, we're having to adjust the list as we close and create the biggest impact. So the the roads that have of new zone and how to adjust the just to take those areas first given, yeah, actual cost.

Great. Couple comments. I love it. They're mostly South Side District projects that have needed to be done.

Yeah. And, and, actually, there, there was a, there was a thought to that too given the amount of growth, mm-hmm, that we're seeing on the South Side and then the how quickly the roads were deteriorating. I don't know if you guys remember, a sale by Al a couple years ago would have literally been better for us just to grind it into a dirt road. It was, I mean, almost impassable and unmaintainable. And then Airport Road quickly shifted from being a little bit rough to almost to becoming unmaintainable. So given the growth on that side of town and the timing to make the biggest impact on those roads, especially so they don't get really destroyed with the amount of growth in traffic, mm-hmm, we decided to get kind of that whole area kind of ship, they say ship shape, as quickly as we could. But in the background, there's also, we're also trying to balance those funds between all the districts, right? So now your prior, we had spent vast majority of those funds on two other districts, and now we're trying to work on, I think, just three or kind of balance that and then moving forward as we're creating the mix. This, we're balancing those funds as best we can remodel model displays.

Hey, District 3 thanks you. I'm in or maybe I'm 2. I don't remember. But, yeah, I was just going to say, you know, maybe it's time to go back to just dirt roads and down and and the whole other city. Thank you. Thank you a lot.

Great. All right. Moving on. Thank you, Marcos. Andy?

Okay. Consideration of Resolution 2021-8, reestablishing the Bicycle and Trail Advisory Committee Amendments Regarding Name, Duties and Responsibilities, Membership and Terms. Are we going to get it on the screen? Okay. What's the, this is the, the activist? Okay. And you have, yes, we have copies of proposed changes here, and then the resolution is in the agenda, the original resolution, and it will be up on the screen. And this can be an action item if we want.

Can be an action item? Yeah. It's for discussion or action. How, how about a little bit of both?

Okay. Thank you, Romela, for, should I go up there to run it, or are you okay? I'll go. I'll move up there. Thank you, Chair. So, meeting with the subcommittee to come up with some recommendations on top of what we came up with last week, to either discuss or move to an action item. So we're going to start with just kind of the purple highlighted ones that we can see on the screen, and they're kind of lined out on the sheet of paper that Romela passed out at the beginning. So the first one that was, seemed pretty unanimous last week, but we should still discuss was page two, line 23, recommended by the subcommittee and the chair last week to change that line from "bicycling" to "bicycle" to match all of the current text that comes with, like, our agenda and things of that matter.

Great. I think why don't we just go through them all, and then we can discuss if we have issues with them.

Cool. Okay. So page three then, moving on to that next one. So it's referencing this Bicycle Master Plan and Santa Fe Metropolitan Pedestrian Master Plan. And, okay. Do I have an extra copy of this? Oh, of this. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. So Romela recommended last week that we update that to more documents that are actively used, right? So changing it to the ICIP and SFMPO Transportation Plan instead of what is written as those documents are more frequently used when for this need. The only thing that the, the subcommittee also recommended was utilizing language that talks about other potential documents, as well as, like, that's not in my thing, but I remember talking about it. So just, like, talking about adding in a line that says, like, "and other documents as needed potentially." And then we wanted to keep any documents that may have ADA standards and compliance language in them too, which I didn't have time to necessarily look up. Going, moving down to the next one on line 15, we wanted to check with the engineering timeline specifically because the recommendation from the meeting last month was that, really, these, these design should be, they should be reviewed, like, throughout the whole timeline. So we recommended that we add in that language with what we see on the paper. So, "Design plans, reviews shall take place at initiation and continuously throughout the proper submission timelines."

And we guess that that was 30, 60, and 90, and then before plans are presented to the public comment or submitted for review, which is in there currently. So, Gary, if you have updated language there, I would love to hear what specifics. Okay, cool. Thank you. Moving on to page four, lines one through five. Romello pointed out that what is currently in the language, which is "seek funding from city, state, and federal sources," is not something that is really done by this advisory committee. And the recommended change from the subcommittee was just to change some of this wording to basically be, advise on projects from city, state, and federal. Instead of seeking funding, it would be advise on projects.

Moving down again, page four, lines nine and ten. There was kind of a mix on this with the subcommittee, and I would love to hear everybody's opinion when we get to discussion. But basically, the idea is that diamond level is a very big aspiration for the city to get to. And there are two thoughts here that we had. Right? We could keep it there as an aspirational thing. To my knowledge, there isn't any city currently at diamond level, and there are only four at platinum level. So really, diamond level is really aspirational. Or we could just move it up to gold level status and do that next step. But there is language on page one about how we're trying to achieve gold levels, so there is room for aspiration here if we feel like it's needed. And then maybe adding some additional framework about how we plan to achieve gold status if we choose to go with that work.

Going down page four, line 14, it says here, "of whom eight shall be residents of the city and one who may be a resident of Santa Fe." The comments from last month were that we should change this to "must be" as that's what's standard on the board. The subcommittee was in favor of actually keeping this language or changing it to prioritize a member of the county because when times are tough and we have trouble getting members, maybe that might help.

Moving down again, page four, lines 16 and 17, there was a comment about it seeming clunky. But after bicycling, we should add again this language about prioritizing representation from each district within the city, as well as adding some ADA potential language here about those who roll on our roadways and use them for ADA type things, which those people have access or accessibility. It's four line nine. Let me see where we're at. Jumping back up. Sorry. There was a comment about including accessibility language, which we can get to at the end. I just missed it. Sorry. Not sure where that line 849. Yeah, I just I'm not sure what you're referring to. I don't know. Yeah, I might have written down the wrong line there. Yeah, I guess you're saying include ADA in there? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I got it. Yeah, it applies on policies and projects. Yeah. Yeah, to include ADA.

And then, moving down to the membership, additional, I think I have my lines mixed up here. But page four, line 21. So in our terms, something for discussion is we were kind of commenting on what is the goal of having these at-large community members? And could the chair of the subcommittee, if needed, decide the size of their subcommittee instead of having it specifically delineated within here about having a certain size of only three, but maybe it's as much as the subcommittee chair thinks they could take on reasonably with a recommendation of it being five, potentially as a recommended amount. And if the subcommittee chair wants to take on more and there is interest from the public, we could add language like that. So, I think that that line on page two of my document, it says line 21 that says "add rolling to include active." I think that's actually for line 16, which is where I was confused earlier. And then one member also brought up a discussion on committee member term limits, but I think that that's standard across the board. So I think we would like to, and that's what the subcommittee discussed and what I would like to discuss with you.

This one? Just a correction. Yeah. Page four. Mala, can you have your can you put your mic on? Page four, line number nine. The reason why it is highlighted in violet is because it's repeated. It's on page three, page three, letter C. Yeah, I see that. Oh, I do see that. Line 18. Yeah, gotcha. So we need to take that one. And the question about the page four, line 16, we also the way we choose our representatives is by district. Yeah. And so it doesn't show here. Mm-hmm. And the line 14, maybe there's a resolution that was adopted that the member of BPAC should be one coming from the county, a county resident. So that's a question. Can we change that resolution before we can change this resolution? I don't know. The other resolution says that it should be? There was there was another resolution that the member of BPAC must be the county. Okay. Yeah.

I think do you want to run through them in order? We can discuss them now that we've looked at them, or does anyone I mean, I have a couple comments. Just, like, I think changing the word to bicycling is great. I don't know. We need to discuss that. And then the part on page three about keeping the text and adding utilizing City of Santa Fe resolutions and VO plans. I think that's fine. Are you going to come back with specific language for all those so that we can actually I can. Yeah. Yeah. I think we need to have the specific language just to officially vote on it. I like changing to advising. I like changing the review stages. I think having it at initiation makes a lot of sense because that's what Gary and his team have been doing and want to be doing anyway. I think we should talk about the gold versus diamond. I think it makes sense to change the aspiration to be gold level just because we haven't gotten there yet. And it did make sense to aspire to the next level and not two up. I see something on the first page that says something about us working to achieve gold by 2024. I think we need to change that also just as an aside. And then, yes, I do think that we need to say we have two members per district on staggered terms, which is what we're doing, if that's what we want to keep doing, which I think makes sense. But, and then say one should be from the county. Well, that's that's my thoughts. I will open it up for other thoughts and or discussion. Gary, we'll go down that road this way.

As far as the gold versus diamond, why don't we have language that says something to the effect, like, continually improve the level? That way, we get to gold. We can work towards platinum. And we get to platinum. We can work. I think that works for me. I think that's a good idea. Robin? I I really like the idea of including rolling in any kind of disability-related language in any place where we're talking about the scope of work. So I don't know how everybody feels about that, but that is Yeah. It's a huge problem for people with disabilities to not have access. So anywhere we can fit that in, I think that would be awesome. Angela, did you have something in there? I'd want to praise Andy and his subcommittee for putting all this together and identifying and keeping track of all the things we wanted to change because they're all on here. So I really especially like the point of changing the number of subcommittee members, hearing that, putting that in there. Yes. I think that all you have to do is get a little bit more specific on the two items, but ready to vote.

Let's see here. So on page two, line 25, it again says "bicycling and pedestrian." Are we going to change that "bicycling" also to "bicycle"? Yeah. What line was that, Ben? Sorry. 25 on page two. The one right after it's right under where it is already highlighted. Okay. And then let's see. The design review of the 30, 60, 90, do we release it to the public only after 90? Do we release plans to the public only after 90%? No. We present the design at conceptual and then 30%. And some consultants will say, okay, we can present it at 60 and 90. But NMDOT guidelines, at 30%, your plan set is, like, set in cement. You cannot change it. But some consultants will accommodate any changes from the public at 90%, but that should not happen. Yeah. So it depends on the consultants what they will accommodate because every change in the plan set requires Yeah. Is equal to money. Are you just concerned with where it says "and before plans are presented to public" in that? Yep. But the question there is when does BPAC review the plan set? So the original language is at 30% design or before the plans are presented to the public for comments and submitted to NMDOT for review. So, for federally funded projects, we present to the public at conceptual and at 30%. After that, it depends on the consultants if they want to present it at 60, 90%. NMDOT reviews the plan sets at 30, 60, 90, and PS&E. There are four phases. Yeah. When I first read it, I I read it as, like, it's a 30%, 90%. So 30, 60, 90, and then before the public. But reading it again, like, we just need to review it at any point in time before the public sees it. And So I think the wording is good. I just had it in my mind gradually. So maybe, because you were already a member when we updated the resolution, and there was a huge discussion when BPAC will review the plan sets, and I think that's what you remember. Yeah.

And then the last one is the subcommittee number. Where is it? It's page four, and then I think that line item is, and we're going to increase it to five. Or the recommendation from the subcommittee was to recommend that it be in trigger, but allow for the chair of the subcommittee to take on as many people as they thought they had feasible, and that's, like, of public. Yeah. Because we can't have more than a quorum of, Yeah. What is quorum? Well, quorum is six. So we we could have up to five. So that's I think, we were staying below that. We could have up to five members of the committee on a subcommittee, but that's a lot. But that it's a possibility if we wanted to go. I do think that we should increase it because people sometimes like to Okay. So we can Sorry. You're requesting that we increase the the board members. I had Yes, correct. The committee members. But maybe it should just say one less than quorum. Yeah. Because we could increase the number of members. I don't know. We'd have to change this resolution in order to change the number of members. So But, also, like, District 38 usually just has one person because we can't find them. Yeah. So the quorum changes. No, it's still there's still 10 members even if one of them is imaginary. Oh, okay. No, that's fine. That's why we still need six to have a meeting. Madam Chair, there is the terms. That's the question of membership, Miller. Yeah. Because here, it's very clear that the members of BPAC have term limits. Yeah. Term limits. But the members of the subcommittee members, Yeah. They don't have term limits. And some of them have been a subcommittee member for six years, five years. Are we going to also impose term limits on subcommittee members? We did discuss that as a subcommittee, and obviously, there may be some bias on those members who are members of larger public members. But what we discussed was, and and maybe this can be discussed. I could learn some more. But has there ever been difficulty in finding public members?

Because what was brought up in the meeting that we had with the subcommittee was that maybe sometimes it may be hard to find the people to be on these public member subcommittees. And if we put term limits, we might just be taking people off of them who are still interested, and we may not be able to replace them. That was what we discussed. Was that your concern? Or use the mic.

I feel like there should be term limits for subcommittee members because I think it's important to get various viewpoints. And, I mean, maybe it might be difficult to recruit members of the community, but I think it should be tied anyway. Trying to find a way to say this diplomatically, if one individual is on the subcommittee for too long, it seems somehow unfair to have that one person or persons have so much influence for such a long period of time.

Quick follow-up to that. Gary, do you have a, you have been on this maybe longer than I have, as I'm very new, as a lot of us are. Do you have a recommendation for how long that term would be?

Well, subcommittee members, they get two-year terms. Is that correct, Romella? No? Only BPAC members. No, it, it, there's nothing that says. So they don't have terms. They don't have any terms at all. Is that what you're?

Just the, I suppose the ones who are BPAC members have to. No, but we're, yeah, we're talking about the general public members. Clarification. No, we're just talking about the public at large members right now.

Well, we're talking about both. Many members, but yeah. Both. So the BPAC members on the subcommittee have a term limit of whatever their BPAC term limit is. Right. I'm talking more about the members at large. Yeah. So there's two issues. I think one is the members at large and one is if we had members who were BPAC members who want to stay on the committee as at large members, would that reset their term limit? It's a good question. I haven't really thought of it in that detail at this point.

Why you asked the lawyer. Yeah. So I think those are, those are the questions that I have for the, for the time, term limits. I think are we in agreement for keeping the term limits for BPAC members as BPAC members? Six years? Three, three, two-year terms? Six years. Yes. So, like, for example, with this three, if we find a member and we'll find one. We will. One day. I don't know how long the county seat was vacant. And I'm wondering, like, if there are, you know, districts that are hard to, hard to occupy for whatever reason, like, does it make sense to have some flexibility in those time limits?

It's a good question. I know there is a larger discussion happening in the governing body over committee term limits because they are all, they're all different. They're all basically set by their own committee, and some of them do not have term limits. I, I think it's good to have term limits. I think six years is a reasonable amount. This is a volunteer committee, and I appreciate you all being here, but I don't want to, you know, ruin your whole lives. Just six years of it. Okay. So I don't, yeah. Gary, did you, were you going to say something else?

Well, I think having term limits for the members at large is a good idea. As far as whether or not the BPAC members who are subcommittee members, can they continue to be members of the subcommittee after they are no longer BPAC members? That's something I have to think about a bit. Okay. But I would be in favor of having term limits for the members at large.

Okay. And do we have a suggested, I'll open it up. Yeah. Would that also be six years, or would that be, or would it be?

Six years per subcommittee. So you could just jump to another one if you wanted to still be involved. Okay. I mean, that's a suggestion. Anyone? So if you were on, this, I always forget the names of the subcommittees. Hold on. If you were on Policy, Planning, and Law for six years and then you wanted to move to Technical Review, you would not be term-limited out under that suggestion.

I would agree with that. As an at-large member, you, yeah, you would have a six-year term limit per committee. Per committee. You could change committees, and then it would reset. That, I think that's a good idea because then it allows for the addition, any additional subcommittees that they come up. And if there's interest there. My one question about that, and I will call out Ben because he was of the idea. What happens if someone does two years of policy and then two years of, I think it's just whenever you start that committee. Okay. That was, that was how I, I don't know, maybe that wasn't what you meant. You can, if you can do indefinite six years. You just have to change topics. It doesn't just reset, I wouldn't think.

Six years total? Six years total for some, yeah. Okay. Per subcommittee, though. Also just throwing this out there. You're giving me, you're forcing, force more problem to track the number of years. Well, it's up to the, it's up to the chair. Chair. Yeah. Yeah. Subcommittee chair. So then in theory, we have four subcommittees. I think it should be per subcommittee. I don't think we need to track people across them, but that's me. No, I know. I, I agree. Three, like, three fanning and one ad hoc. Yes. Ad hoc. So in theory, someone could be on a subcommittee for 20 figures. Yeah. I could change. Correct? Yeah. I see a committee and I'm just, I'm just confirming what I, yes. I think we've had that in other, maybe not on BPAC, but in other groups. We've had that. Some people just really like being on committees.

Should we do anything with renewal of these members at large? Like, they become stale. That, that's sort of what I'm thinking. You know? Yeah. We BPAC members are, you know, two years, but the subcommittee members, how are they, you know, they're not chosen by the mayor like BPAC members. No, they're chosen by the chair. Oh, so, so chair. Well, so we don't really say, actually. That might be something we want to specify that subcommittee members might serve at the pleasure of the subcommittee chair. That, that might be something we want to add because right now we don't really say, as the chairs appoint subcommittees. And renewed every two years with a maximum of three consecutive terms just like BPAC members. Oh, okay. I think that makes sense. In that way, yeah, if there are members who just stop showing up or whatever, the chair can remove them. The subcommittee chair can remove them from the subcommittee and appoint new subcommittee members. I think that would make sense to have in the language.

Alright. Second that. We're not. Third it. Haven't made a motion. Vote once Andy has language for us. Yes. So I will now work on, like, language that I will come and we can vote on language. Any other points that you want to talk about on this? Do you have any other clarifying questions? Yeah. That's it says here, platinum level. Do we want to delineate what that actually is within? Are, are you talking about the aspirational goal to get to diamond? Or, yeah, what, like, what, what does that actually mean? Gold level or?

I'm still looking into that a little bit more. Yeah. And you need to, you need to review the strategic plan. They're a lot vision in the strategic plan is to achieve diamond level by 2050. And the mission is to attain gold level by 2033 or the end of the strategic plan. And so all the actions in that strategic plan is to achieve gold level. So that is the framework that Andy was talking about. So, you may want to also include because when we updated the, the resolution, we, we still did not have BPAC strategic plan. So that's one consideration that you can think of is to add in the, in the resolution the implementation of the BPAC strategic plan to achieve gold or to achieve diamond level at 2050, which I think it's because we're trying to obtain gold level for more than two decades.

So would that be something like, so here it says pursue the League of American Bicycles diamond level bicycle friendly community designation. And then we would just add, like, as outlined in the BPAC strategic plan. Is that? But also, I, I think Gary talked about, like, removing the language of old diamond plaque. Right. Yes. So pursuing the league of whatever next, the next highest level, but adding pursuant to the BPAC strategic plan. Yeah. In that sec, that's section H and section three. That's on page four. Oh, thank you, Ramona. That, that makes sense. And we talked about removing the gold by 2024. Yeah. That's in the warehouses at the, at the front. Yeah. Talked about updating the date of the year. '65. 2050. Rabel, you said 2033 is the end of the, alright. Anything else on that one? No? Cool. Thank you, Andy. Thank you, everybody.

And then next is Pedestrian Curb Cuts and Ramps at Street and Road Intersections. Angela, did you want to talk more about that? Thank you, chair. I actually don't need to. I've got to cover it before I brought up ramps because I thought I kept seeing around town configurations where, like, and I've been in a walker from the hip replacement. It was difficult to negotiate corners. There's really, they're very sharp, sharply edged and, maybe that's new ADA requirements. I'm not sure, but rolling curbs have always been better to deal with. So I noticed that, but then when I looked closely at them, I guess you could make these turns, but I'd like to talk to it, to, to you about it. Not necessarily. We don't do that this meeting. I'm going to give you back your time because I really was curious about striping. So, yeah. Thanks.

Okay. We'll move on to subcommittee communications, Policy, Planning, and Law. Andy, do you have anything that we haven't talked about yet? Do not have anything additional. Thank you. Okay. Promotionals, Education, Communications, Chandler.

Well, I think we saw from Ryan and his review that things went really well with the last event. And Carmela did a great job in putting a lot of that together. As far as the signs that we went through, we had a PEC member, subcommittee member, who was here who helped design them. He left, I think, because we're going long. But where do we stand with that? Has that been sent up? Or, now that we've made our selection, what's the next step? Rommel is making a face. I'm not sure what that means.

I, I need to request the communications team to, to because they are, they are setting the standards and the guidelines for all, for all city signage, and I do not know if they are already finished with that. I, I don't think so. So I still have to request the communications team to review the signage, and I have not sent, I have not sent it to the communications team for review. Sorry. I forgot.

Can I help? Do you, is there something I can do? The, the problem with is that only the city staff can request updates to our website, to our, any, anything that we send, like, for example, our, our flyer, only the, the city staff can do that. They don't allow other, I mean, yeah, that's the policy. I cannot change the policy.

Anything else, Chandler? You can remind me, please. Okay. Umela, can, can you please submit it for, for review? Alright. Well, great job on the event, Ramel. That was great. So that's it from PEC. Technical Review, Gary?

Yeah. The last BPAC meeting I was at was in July, and this is the August meeting. So since, so I didn't report then. So since I last reported in July, the Technical Review, I've been to several meetings, and to do with Seringa Road restriping, the Pacheco Street redesign into one, Henry Lynch Road meeting, and just recently, a meeting about the extension of the Arroyo Chamizo Trail to join the, the two portions of Zia Road that don't connect. And I missed several meetings because I was traveling. So sorry about that. So that's what we're currently working on, and I'm going to try to send out an email to the subcommittee to update everybody on what's been going on because I've been out of town.

Sorry that you haven't been in better communication. It's okay. I was just going to say I haven't actually seen any emails or anything about Sarango and all these other roads I mentioned. That's why I'm saying I'm going to update you. Should the rest of the committee be invited to the meetings? So my understanding is that only BPAC members of the subcommittees can go to these meetings. Is that right? Well, the other subcommittee members could go. Yeah, they could, but it wasn't, I just wasn't aware of them. I think I sent an email about Sarango Road. We definitely had an email discussion about the Sarango Road with Stripe. You're right, we did. Yeah. I think it would be appropriate if the subcommittee members of the Technical Review Committee wanted to go to those meetings. If Gary can't go or if you all want to go, I think that would be appropriate. So hopefully you can work out how to communicate that. Yeah, that's not on Gary, that was on me. We totally communicated about it. Cool.

Vulnerable Road User Task Force? Yeah, we had kind of a meet and greet meeting, get to know who's part of this. It was a Zoom meeting, so there were some technical things. The members didn't get to speak quite as much, but we'll have another one. Looking forward to doing this in person, finding a good spot to do that. Great.

Matters from staff. Ramela, anything else from you? Madam Chair, I just want to ask the members of the committee. The decision in previous committee members is that don't give you a hard copy of the packet. But if someone would like to have a hard copy of the packet, just please let me know before the meeting because I can do that. The decision before is not to waste any paper, but sometimes I know that members would like to look at the hard copy of the packet. Just let me know and I can do that.

And then number two, as Ryan mentioned earlier, I participated in the Safe Route to School Summit. And at that summit, there was a presentation about VRUs because there's bicyclists in Albuquerque who died last April. And it's Esperanza, it's called Esperanza. It's a nonprofit society, and they lobbied or advocated the Albuquerque Council to change the traffic code. And that traffic code of Albuquerque is so progressive now, and it's so focused on VRUs. And the last time we BPAC updated the uniform traffic ordinance was about five years with the electric bicycle, with the e-bike. I wonder if member Wayne can contact this person and discuss what are the changes that they did with the traffic code. In Albuquerque now, if there is a traffic violation, they can call 3331 to report the traffic violation, especially about bicyclists and pedestrians. And I was so really, the changes in the traffic code are so great, so progressive.

And then I also found out that there is a Bike Walk Film Festival. We missed September 3 and today, September 10, but there are still some films on September 17, 2024, and October 1. And I will send out the link because you need to register. I can send out the link tomorrow to all members.

And then last but not least, we are receiving funding for construction of Henry Lane. The first two funding is totally $700,000, but we received the letter today that we are receiving $4,700,000. The funding application was for $5,000,000. So we are receiving $4.7 million. And the cost estimate for Phase A of Henry Lane is $7,000,000. So we're short like many millions, $1,600,000 that's not really difficult to find. That's all. Thank you. Thank you.

Matters from the committee. Want to start with Chandler and go down the road. Sure. So one thing that I just wanted some direction on was the Public Safety Committee. I think I volunteered for that. Did that get passed? Because it had to be voted. Am I, do I need to be going to that? Yes. Yes, you should be going to that. You are on it now. Yeah, I've been appointed. I'm official. It's right. Oh, does the mayor have to do it? Okay, well then no, you're not official yet. Hopefully the end of the month. Alright, let me know when to be there. I'll be there. Great. Was that it? That's it for me. Okay. Angela? I have nothing, but I just appreciate still being on this committee and being around the new members. So I haven't been able to be here too. I had a brand new hip put in, and I'm on, I lost the walker, left the cane. So anyway, I want to walk and bike again. Anyway, it's nice to have a new membership. Thanks.

I'm seeing an opportunity for some signage on the rail trail in the county. I'm not sure if this is the correct body to be bringing this to, but or who I would bring it. Signage on the rail trail in the county. Can we influence that? The last bucket, last meeting's bucket, I put, I think I included there, the contact person. There's a question about that, specifically about Rail Trail, and you can find her name there. But I'll give it to you tomorrow. Then, I just want to be sure that I heard you before when you said, is the nonprofit called Esperanza? And do you have their contact information? Give it to you tomorrow. I got the list of participants from Ryan. So I will, I will give it to you. But if you can look at the City of Albuquerque website, it's there. The traffic code and all the progressive things that they're doing about bicycling and pedestrian programs, it's in the City of Albuquerque website. But I'll get you the name. If I don't, if I don't give it to you tomorrow or Monday, please remind me. Okay? I'm an old person. Nothing for me. I'm an old woman.

So there's still a sign that's leaning up against the back of Jean Couto. A pingue week. I actually spoke to Mark Barela. He went out there. He asked for your information because he went to, there's not a sign that it's actually that was located in that area, so somebody picked it up and just leaned it. But he wanted to get some more information from you, but he did go out, and he came to me to let me know. So able to find the sign? He did. Oh, he did. Able to find the sign. Yes. Yep. So he did locate it, but he's like, that is not the original location. Yeah, somebody like took it and just leaned it there. Yeah, it's in a very different part. Yes. But he did, and that's Mark Barela from our signs and signal shop. So he's right under our operations manager there. So I did give him that information. But if I can get your information to relate to him, he'll give you some further detail. Okay. Should I put my phone number on record? Or no. Okay. Yes. I'll look back and it's just my curiosity has peaked. What's the sign? It's a sign for the rail trail. Oh, okay. It was on the corner of wherever, and now it's not. It's been moved and leaned up against a tree, and it's very hidden. And no one would ever see it.

Alright. Matters from the Chair. I will be gone for our next meeting. So, Harry, are you here in October? Can you chair October 8? I believe I will be here. My plans to be out of town at this time. Great. Well, hopefully, y'all can carry on without me. Our next meeting is October 8, 2026, and we are adjourned. Thank you.